Confessions of the Sheep/Beef Cattle/Pig Addicts

unlacedgecko

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It depends who you speak to. Dairy farmers on here say sheep are a nightmare for grass then the contractor who does my silage says he thinks sheep make the grass grow better. I imagine timing makes the difference. Sheep on all winter isn't going to give early grass but if it then gives it a boost for silage time I don't know.
I'd think the days of spending money on reclaiming ground are past. All the grants that there were any ground that was worth doing would have been done. Without gov funding I'd be doubtful. Every farmer probably wants to do it but is it a sensible way to spend money.
Sheep can eat tighter than cattle due to their use of teeth and pad rather than tongue. If sheep grazing is managed correctly (grazing period no longer than 72hrs, high enough stock density to hit 1500kg/dm residual during this time) it will promote tillering, leading to thicker grass and more bales/ha.

Whe sheep are left on the grass longer they will eat the fresh grown shoots. This is overgrazing. It will deplete root reserves and reduce grass yield.
 

Guleesh

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It depends who you speak to. Dairy farmers on here say sheep are a nightmare for grass then the contractor who does my silage says he thinks sheep make the grass grow better. I imagine timing makes the difference. Sheep on all winter isn't going to give early grass but if it then gives it a boost for silage time I don't know.
I'd think the days of spending money on reclaiming ground are past. All the grants that there were any ground that was worth doing would have been done. Without gov funding I'd be doubtful. Every farmer probably wants to do it but is it a sensible way to spend money.
Sheep on all winter definitely makes the grass grow better here, sheep still on in spring is where all the 'damage' done.
 

Guleesh

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Sheep can eat tighter than cattle due to their use of teeth and pad rather than tongue. If sheep grazing is managed correctly (grazing period no longer than 72hrs, high enough stock density to hit 1500kg/dm residual during this time) it will promote tillering, leading to thicker grass and more bales/ha.

Whe sheep are left on the grass longer they will eat the fresh grown shoots. This is overgrazing. It will deplete root reserves and reduce grass yield.
Not much growth here through winter, I wonder is there any real point in the 72 hour rule through the winter when it's all dormant anyway? Sure, we don't keep them on for months as there is usually slight growth, but does a week or two at a time make much odds?
 

Guleesh

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I’ve seen some stock clubs present right good runs of stock. Then some of them… even Kay from Cheshire won’t buy them 😳
SSCs just the same as any other flocks, other than that their ownership is split into shares held by many shareholders, quality of stock is still down to the ground and the management, I suppose somebody managing a stock club may have more impetus to try and remain profitable, which can sometimes produce poorer results, where as many individuals seem content to run at a loss provided they're proud of what they present for sale. Can't judge a whole operation by what the stock look like in the ring IMO.
 

Anymulewilldo

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SSCs just the same as any other flocks, other than that their ownership is split into shares held by many shareholders, quality of stock is still down to the ground and the management, I suppose somebody managing a stock club may have more impetus to try and remain profitable, which can sometimes produce poorer results, where as many individuals seem content to run at a loss provided they're proud of what they present for sale. Can't judge a whole operation by what the stock look like in the ring IMO.
There’s one or two it’s blindingly obvious that someone somewhere thinks £100 is plenty to spend on a stock tup
 
Not much growth here through winter, I wonder is there any real point in the 72 hour rule through the winter when it's all dormant anyway? Sure, we don't keep them on for months as there is usually slight growth, but does a week or two at a time make much odds?
I have found if you spread them out thinly and make sure they always have hay/silage they don’t bare the grass off as much. Probably easier to eat out of a feeder and lie down than trail around searching for blades of grass among the mud
 

Guleesh

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I have found if you spread them out thinly and make sure they always have hay/silage they don’t bare the grass off as much. Probably easier to eat out of a feeder and lie down than trail around searching for blades of grass among the mud
Too expensive here, I see places that do that and their fields are trashed IMO. It would be more cost effective for us to to winter them away on the east coast. We don't feed anything to the majority of the sheep, we just gather and condition score two or three times from scanning onwards and pull out and feed those needing it, those that we do feed we pick the worst bit of in bye ground we have and shut them in it as a sacrifice field, which has been working well.

That's the usual, but not quite true this year, as a bit of an experiment we pulled 100 'B flock' ewes out in autumn and have been rotating them quite tightly through the most rush infested fields trying to save myself a topping, they've been getting concentrates, have to assess lambs from them and rush growth later in the year first, but I think it's costing too much and I don't think we'll do it the same next year.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Sheep can eat tighter than cattle due to their use of teeth and pad rather than tongue. If sheep grazing is managed correctly (grazing period no longer than 72hrs, high enough stock density to hit 1500kg/dm residual during this time) it will promote tillering, leading to thicker grass and more bales/ha.

Whe sheep are left on the grass longer they will eat the fresh grown shoots. This is overgrazing. It will deplete root reserves and reduce grass yield.
Spot on, we have such a range of field sizes here that sheep are either the best or worst creature imaginable.
One field is over 350 acres in size, so you aren't going to graze that in a few days unless you combined most of our neighbour's B mobs into one and let them have at it.
The ones a hundred acres or less, then maybe, if you don't have f**k all cover to begin with. 50 acres and below, sheep are the best tool for the job, occasionally of course, or we're right back at the "f**k all cover to begin with" thingy again.

Some of the sheep tracks here are over a foot deep and a foot wide, half a mile to the next gateway and carry on the same... makes me wonder why they built fences just to open the gates all summer... but at least it'd be hard to do a worse job of it !

Anyway we are happy now, half inch of rain for the month so far, almost an inch and a half since June. Grass is greening up, neighbours flat out feeding out, we are flat out unloading cows to fatten on deferred feed. Busy busy ! Put a new knobbly on the big bike as I've torched the old one in 500 miles
 

Bob the beef

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Anyway we are happy now, half inch of rain for the month so far, almost an inch and a half since June. Grass is greening up, neighbours flat out feeding out, we are flat out unloading cows to fatten on deferred feed. Busy busy ! Put a new knobbly on the big bike as I've torched the old one in 500 miles
I presume you mean an Inch and a half since January 🤔
 

Estate fencing.

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