Pay farmers to cut pollution?

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Muck, maybe.

I see far too many reports of people spreading slurry in inappropriate conditions, on land sloping to watercourses &/or at far too high application rates because they can't store any more. We can debate the whys and wherefores of that but it's clearly damaging to soil and watercourse health.

I've also personally seen FAR too much soil loss into rivers from both arable and grassland soils.

Make no mistake, at some point the focus will shift to farming.

And to what extent are the the regulations/ rules responsible for this rather than a farmers own decision making?

Closed periods and the need for ever more storage and collection is creating more problems.
But fundamentally, the drive by all for consolidation is creating bigger and more intensive farms is the main problem. Not only because all major incidences relate to large stores but it increases the need for fossilfuelsto keep transporting everything.

And the current strict interpretation of rules by the EA will only accentuate this. Small herds can't afford the infrastructure they now insist on to meet regulations even where no issues exist.

Reading how people intend to use [and abuse] SFI options, it is clear that culitvations are going to be carried out when it isn't appropriate with implications for soils and water.
Yet livestock are as always demonised for a natural existence around watercourses. At the same time as beavers are encouraged to disrupt them.
We keep getting rules for rules sake, and then more rules to try and counteract the inadvertant consequences of previous rules. It has become a bizarre nonsense.
If someone is guilty of pollution they need to be given opportunity to rectify/ change or be charged. There are no need for further rules and regs.
And there must be some distinction between a certain amount of 'pollution/ contamination' being natural and that which is not.
 
Makes me the laugh the fuss they make about livestock drinking from rivers etc, its probably only for 6mths of the year and it is the most natural of things. Watch wildlife programs from africa you never hear them say "ooh that watering hole wants fencing off" because its a natural thing and it temes with wildlife helped by the animals using it. They want to stop a natural thing but happy to keep diverting storm and sewage drains into watercourses.

Much rather see a natural scene of livestock cooling off in a river than i would looking at miles of barbed wire and solar pumps humming and glinting along every riverside field
Do bears shít in the woods or ducks on water???
Equally do urban people know where their shít goes?
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
And to what extent are the the regulations/ rules responsible for this rather than a farmers own decision making?

Closed periods and the need for ever more storage and collection is creating more problems.
But fundamentally, the drive by all for consolidation is creating bigger and more intensive farms is the main problem. Not only because all major incidences relate to large stores but it increases the need for fossilfuelsto keep transporting everything.

And the current strict interpretation of rules by the EA will only accentuate this. Small herds can't afford the infrastructure they now insist on to meet regulations even where no issues exist.

Reading how people intend to use [and abuse] SFI options, it is clear that culitvations are going to be carried out when it isn't appropriate with implications for soils and water.
Yet livestock are as always demonised for a natural existence around watercourses. At the same time as beavers are encouraged to disrupt them.
We keep getting rules for rules sake, and then more rules to try and counteract the inadvertant consequences of previous rules. It has become a bizarre nonsense.
If someone is guilty of pollution they need to be given opportunity to rectify/ change or be charged. There are no need for further rules and regs.
And there must be some distinction between a certain amount of 'pollution/ contamination' being natural and that which is not.
Yes

Bureaucrats just don't "get" managing natural systems. Rules set using calendar dates for land access, hedge work, nutrient application etc are utterly inappropriate for purpose. They're used because they are easy to administer and enforce, not because they work.

Farm intensification and enlargement has, however, played a big part in the issue. It's hard to run a big indoor livestock unit without restoring to a slurry based waste system. It also requires large energy inputs hauling feed in and wastes out. These units are more suited to waste based AD though (there are VERY few viable AD options for small herds).

I've heard repeated examples of farms taking grant funds to upgrade slurry or muck storage only to use it to expand the herd, leaving the farm just as short of storage.

It's not nature's fault that the business model a farm adopts causes them to do things which damage the environment.

Some of this is because farm profitability is poor, due to the way our food system is structured, with cheap food being the priority and abuse of market power being the method. Some farms would still follow environmentally damaging practices though even if they were regularly showing profits of >10% of turnover on produce sales alone. That's just their mindset.
 

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