serf
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- warwickshire
But if they were to " just press play " there wouldn't be any jobs for the boys
New limits to SFI.
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Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Combined.
And with confused Inspectors having to be challenged when they ask for sight of the Agreement
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
But if they were to " just press play " there wouldn't be any jobs for the boys
I’m sure they’d find a way to look busy even if there was no work to do.
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- Lincolnshire
There’s undoubtedly a vegan agenda to it. A lot of the arable options include a bung to avoid having to revert to livestock in the system : arable legume fallow being an example. Not financially viable without a big taxpayer sub. Would be viable and stand on its own two feet if it was a traditional grazed clover ley - but they simply don’t want us farming livestock. It’s clear as day and it’s wrong. Part of the legacy of Carrie Antoinette - let them eat wood chip.
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- Northumberland
Fair enough that the brave early adopters have got the fat worm. How about when additional options arrive, those whose agreements would no longer be approved, are placed in a 2nd wave, if the money sticks it?
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- East Sussex
I told Janet at an early meeting that the people who would likely benefit the most from ELMS/SFI would be those arable farmers on Grade 3 land that was always marginal for cropping.
That is of course what has happened and the rates offered are exceptionally good. In fact so good that even on better land crops are taken out in favour of
Spare a thought for the poor old livestock farmer who has been offered very little from SFI and in fact the unintended consequence has worked against those of us who relied on fodder crops and grass keep on arable farms for sheep, which were not going to be available any more.
Personally I couldn't give a toss about food security and I will not be worrying about it. That is for the politicians and economists to work out.
Without BPS I need the outputs I produce to net me at least 40% more to give a reasonable income without being told what I can or cannot do!!
So lets not start producing surplus food that drives down the price.
That is of course what has happened and the rates offered are exceptionally good. In fact so good that even on better land crops are taken out in favour of
Spare a thought for the poor old livestock farmer who has been offered very little from SFI and in fact the unintended consequence has worked against those of us who relied on fodder crops and grass keep on arable farms for sheep, which were not going to be available any more.
Personally I couldn't give a toss about food security and I will not be worrying about it. That is for the politicians and economists to work out.
Without BPS I need the outputs I produce to net me at least 40% more to give a reasonable income without being told what I can or cannot do!!
So lets not start producing surplus food that drives down the price.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Which of course many of us said - the options mimicked Mid Tier but without the prescription and restrictions. The senior DEFRA staff only have themselves to blame. And the AHDB pretend (model) farm scenarios assumed a typical farm business would only enroll for a small percentage of he farm.
lloyd
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- Location
- Herefordshire
There was a lot of talk about inspections not being as draconian as other
previous systems i wonder if that will all now change too.
As has been stated by some forum members on numerous occasions....
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Yes the pretend model that grossly understated what a sh!t job it is to be trying to grow cereals in year like this with pee poor prices.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
I think this sums it up to me.
Farmers received £80/ac support payments. This was often the same as the farmer’s profit.
Now that income has been withdrawn.
I wonder how the powers that be think farmers will be able to continue the “food production” that they claim to be worried about.
Food production will cease if it is unprofitable…..
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- Lincolnshire
I hope the Conservative Environmenf Network and Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation are soon purged from the Party in the light of the damage they have inflicted on the credibility of Conservative agricultural policy. That’s where the root cause of this fiasco lies. Let’s have them dug out. They’ve no place in real Conservatism.
Exactly.
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- Cirencester
Taking it that Stewardship is safe for now? Or will that be 25% as well? £20k’s worth of grass flower seed sat in the shed. Asking for a friend
Ain’t that the truth
- Location
- Yorks
In January they increased payment rates to attract SFI uptake.
They specifically made a point in saying there was no upper limit.
Not only no upper limit for year 1 of your agreement, but if you only did say 10ha in year one, we were told there was no upper limit for years 2 and 3. You could have had a 2,000ha farm in the agreement with no upper limit. DEFRA's rules.
It's a complete U-turn.
....and now Spencer comes along and says it was never intended that farmers would put large percentages of their farms in to these SFI options. You could have fooled me, it's exactly what they were encouraging 3 months back.
They specifically made a point in saying there was no upper limit.
Not only no upper limit for year 1 of your agreement, but if you only did say 10ha in year one, we were told there was no upper limit for years 2 and 3. You could have had a 2,000ha farm in the agreement with no upper limit. DEFRA's rules.
It's a complete U-turn.
....and now Spencer comes along and says it was never intended that farmers would put large percentages of their farms in to these SFI options. You could have fooled me, it's exactly what they were encouraging 3 months back.
Why are YOU suprised???
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Government regulates to encourage farmers to stop producing food and do environmental work.
Government then regulates to stop farmers doing lots of those environmental goods they are encouraging because they claim to be concerned farmers will stop producing food.
You couldn’t make it up…..!
Government then regulates to stop farmers doing lots of those environmental goods they are encouraging because they claim to be concerned farmers will stop producing food.
You couldn’t make it up…..!
- Location
- Northumberland
Worse still, they upped the money, unnecessarily, on the 'out of production' options and left the 'alongside production' ones untouched.
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