SFI is NOT the answer

ajd132 · Dec 10, 2023

I do think they will run out of budget before the best paying whole field schemes get too far.

Northern territory · Dec 10, 2023

gone up the hill said:
Bought in stirks taken to finished.

Like i say its harder with sheep and suckler cows to an extent.

But take the winter bird food option at nigh on £200 acre, to achieve that same net profit per acre from buying store lambs would mean you need to finish nigh on 20 lambs per acre in the winter months.

I agree, breeding flocks and herds will decline faster and will there be as much stock to buy

gone up the hill · Dec 10, 2023

ajd132 said:
I do think they will run out of budget before the best paying whole field schemes get too far.

You may be right and that is why you can only enter the options like wild bird seed that are not going to cost you much to carry out.

If you put in expensive herbal ley's and then they reduce the payment rates you will end up putting money to the job.

ajd132 · Dec 10, 2023

gone up the hill said:
You may be right and that is why you can only enter the options like wild bird seed that are not going to cost you much to carry out.

If you put in expensive herbal ley's and then they reduce the payment rates you will end up putting money to the job.

There isn’t the budget there for vast tracts to go into these options, and i dont think they meant for that anyway, probably budgeted on 5-10%. What they will have overlooked is how pee'd off and fed up so many farmers are.

Humble Village Farmer · Dec 10, 2023

oil barron said:
Both factors in removing product for processors. Lack of profit is the biggest threat to UK ag.

Fixed that for you.

oil barron · Dec 10, 2023

Humble Village Farmer said:
Fixed that for you.

If you haven’t made money the last 3 years farming then you never will.

Devil's advocate · Dec 10, 2023

I'm suprised no one has mentioned the looming potato/vegetable shortage.

A perfect example to take to the Labour party, they will love to throw dirt at the Conservatives & there is plenty of it.

If you want food price inflation it is coming big time in that sector or empty shelves.

Any cartel if such a thing exists is gong to be very disappointed.

ajd132 · Dec 10, 2023

oil barron said:
If you haven’t made money the last 3 years farming then you never will.

Agree. It’s been easy to make a lot of money recently.

oil barron · Dec 10, 2023

ajd132 said:
Agree. It’s been easy to make a lot of money recently.

I wouldn’t say easy. But possible. However if pork and chicken production is exported in mass to Eastern Europe because there is no factory support in the UK then grain prices will be -15/20% against Europe with Fert 15/20% higher. Got to keep a support industry or it will never come back.

ajd132 · Dec 10, 2023

oil barron said:
I wouldn’t say easy. But possible. However if pork and chicken production is exported in mass to Eastern Europe because there is no factory support in the UK then grain prices will be -15/20% against Europe with Fert 15/20% higher. Got to keep a support industry or it will never come back.

Totally agree. It’s only been easy to make loads of money because of wars and diseases, which ain’t a business model!

oil barron · Dec 10, 2023

ajd132 said:
Totally agree. It’s only been easy to make loads of money because of wars and diseases, which ain’t a business model!

Raytheon and Pfizer would disagree

celtis man · Dec 10, 2023

ajd132 said:
Totally agree. It’s only been easy to make loads of money because of wars and diseases, which ain’t a business model!

Drought has eaten the profit IMO

oil barron · Mar 26, 2024

ajd132 said:
There isn’t the budget there for vast tracts to go into these options, and i dont think they meant for that anyway, probably budgeted on 5-10%. What they will have overlooked is how pee'd off and fed up so many farmers are.

Well that came true sooner than predicted.

Huno · Mar 26, 2024

oil barron said:
Well that came true sooner than predicted.

It was predicted at the pilot stage of SFI

Steevo · Mar 26, 2024

spin cycle said:
the way I see it...
1/ they don't want to subsidise food production
2/ they want to regulate to the point of persecution
3/ they want to scapegoat us to 'greenwash' other industries (flying)

and if you still ,after banging your head again the proverbial 'brick wall' produce food...
4/ they don't want to pay for it

so why try?....get into sfi and give them what they want

...and now they don't want people to put more than 25% into certain SFI options!

J 1177 · Mar 26, 2024

Huno said:
It was predicted at the pilot stage of SFI

They wont listen, think they are above us. Well it seems those lofty intelects in defra f**ked it royaly up

Huno · Mar 26, 2024

J 1177 said:
They wont listen, think they are above us. Well it seems those lofty intelects in defra f**ked it royaly up

Yes they have and they dont listen.. sorry for the moderation delay i was once naughty on here

Chris F · Mar 26, 2024

Huno said:
Yes they have and they dont listen.. sorry for the moderation delay i was once naughty on here

I think you have served you time.

Bald Rick · Mar 26, 2024

Chris F said:
I think you have served you time.

Thank goodness for that … my fingers were getting tired approving his posts

Huno · Mar 26, 2024

Chris F said:
I think you have served you time.

Thanks Chris... i will behave now..

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