SFI is NOT the answer

[oil barron]

It will kill the processing sector. Then in 5 years time when the money tree is turned off there will not be the infrastructure in place to ramp production back up.

 

[Northern territory]

It will kill the processing sector. Then in 5 years time when the money tree is turned off there will not be the infrastructure in place to ramp production back up.

Nobody can seem to see it though

 

[Scholsey]

What effect do you really think it will have on farm output? I’d be surprised if it’s even noticeable

 

[Devil's advocate]

It will kill the processing sector. Then in 5 years time when the money tree is turned off there will not be the infrastructure in place to ramp production back up.

Depends on the % going into SFI.

If 10% or less & more on poorer land will it make so much difference. Set a side at 15% did not.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I have always said it was falsely named.
It has nothing/ very little sustainable for food, farming or the environment.
It does not support farming.
It does not show any initiative.

 

[oil barron]

Depends on the % going into SFI.

If 10% or less & more on poorer land will it make so much difference. Set a side at 15% did not.

Was a lot more farmland about back then. Middle England is one big car park now.

 

[spin cycle]

I need longer care.....'let the powers that be reap what they sow'

 

[oil barron]

I need longer care.....'let the powers that be reap what they sow'

Terrible attitude. It’s not the powers that be that will suffer.

 

[Bury the Trash]

one big car park now.

whats that got to do with SFI and the like?

 

[Northern territory]

Depends on the % going into SFI.

If 10% or less & more on poorer land will it make so much difference. Set a side at 15% did not.

Depends whether as much can be produced off the land tied up in schemes which I doubt especially in the case of livestock. You can see by the number of slaughterhouses and markets that have closed over recent years it is an industry in decline.

 

[Bury the Trash]

over the years Less farmers, less livestock , brexit have all made it tougher for processors .
and yes it will be added to that list if it does lower production but if the likes of sfi suits your farm then why angst with no ...effect over others problems.

quite simply why keep producing food commodity for not enough financial return ?

 

[teslacoils]

What effect do you really think it will have on farm output? I’d be surprised if it’s even noticeable

Certainly noticeable here. Down to 120ac arable with close to 850 in SFi / mid tier.

Five years ago were farming 2500ac. That stopped when we were given the cost to replace a combine.

Yeah, it was tricky soil. But high output. That required high input. Now we end up with more £££ out for less in, and less tied up in tin. Calmer lives and more time.

I'd be surprised if anyone looking to rent land out on an fbt wasn't better off putting it in a stewardship scheme.

That said, it seems like very few are actually applying at the moment. Can only presume that they will put the rates up, which we will benefit from anyway.

Next on the agenda will be this BNG.

 

[oil barron]

whats that got to do with SFI and the like?

Both factors in removing product for processors. Lack of processors is the biggest threat to UK ag.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Certainly noticeable here. Down to 120ac arable with close to 850 in SFi / mid tier.

Five years ago were farming 2500ac. That stopped when we were given the cost to replace a combine.

Yeah, it was tricky soil. But high output. That required high input. Now we end up with more £££ out for less in, and less tied up in tin. Calmer lives and more time.

I'd be surprised if anyone looking to rent land out on an fbt wasn't better off putting it in a stewardship scheme.

That said, it seems like very few are actually applying at the moment. Can only presume that they will put the rates up, which we will benefit from anyway.

Next on the agenda will be this BNG.

but the processors of grain do so even now with imported , even more will be imported why will it make any difference ?

Its the livestock industry that will be up against it most. as it is already but a lot of people actually don't realise it.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Both factors in removing product for processors. Lack of processors is the biggest threat to UK ag.

The i hope you have posted the equivalent type of opening post on the 'builders, developers and council planners forum'

 

[spin cycle]

Terrible attitude. It’s not the powers that be that will suffer.

they'll have to take the blame

 

[oil barron]

The i hope you have posted the equivalent type of opening post on the 'builders, developers and council planners forum'

Builders, developers and Council planners aren’t really interested in the long term sustainability of UK farming. You would hope farmers are.

 

[copse]

It will kill the processing sector. Then in 5 years time when the money tree is turned off there will not be the infrastructure in place to ramp production back up.

They won’t allow it to be returned to agricultural production if people aren’t careful.

 

[oil barron]

they'll have to take the blame

Blame is a pointless word. Control what you can control.

 

[spin cycle]

Blame is a pointless word. Control what you can control.

the way I see it...
1/ they don't want to subsidise food production
2/ they want to regulate to the point of persecution
3/ they want to scapegoat us to 'greenwash' other industries (flying)

and if you still ,after banging your head again the proverbial 'brick wall' produce food...
4/ they don't want to pay for it

so why try?....get into sfi and give them what they want