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Hilly

Member
Can anyone on here please explain how you can pay a rent, plus earn a living from that farm? I can see it, the other way, the NT pays "you " to farm it ? but please please someone explain the economics? On the country file on sunday they showed a welsh sheep farm, i think im right in saying it was 400 acres being managed run by a father and daughter carrying 1000 ewes, the programme "highlighted" the dangers of quad bikes and said that the daughter had been involved in a serious accident, so my point, 2 farms, one of 340 ish (NT farm) carrying just over 100 odd ewes and some cattle, the other a 400 acre odd farm carrying a 1000 odd sheep and some cattle?
Part time farm , still retain full time
Job and enter enviro schemes to appease NT, at a guess ..

Good on the folk doing it i couldn’t do the tv bit ! Or i wouldnt want to but proves how keen they all are to have a place they can call their own , good way into something bigger in the future perhaps .
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Haven't gone through the whole thread, but... there are some NT 'farms' not far from here and I know for fact that the terms binding anyone taking them on are absurd, and financially suicidal.

Any possible responsibility the NT can divest itself of, it does - no chance whatsoever of anyone farming it, fulfilling his terms and making a living unless selling all in the heart of London at silly prices.

Of course the terms for the place in question may be enlightened and quite wonderful; but, with its past record or appalling behaviour, it seems anything the NT is involved in will be awful.

Anyone considering involvement with the NT should get their trainers on and run the other way. (y)
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
Step back from being farmers for a moment.
This is a chance to live in the clean healthy countryside, in a nice house (is it?) and play at a bit of farming.
the rent will very likely be less for the whole than the same house would be alone.

It's a symptom of the age that outside factors would make running such a constricted farming enterprise attractive to so many.
 

slackjawedyokel

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Step back from being farmers for a moment.
This is a chance to live in the clean healthy countryside, in a nice house (is it?) and play at a bit of farming.
the rent will very likely be less for the whole than the same house would be alone.

It's a symptom of the age that outside factors would make running such a constricted farming enterprise attractive to so many.
Could be wrong but I think the house was newly renovated (insulated etc).
Apart from it being presided over by NT, I’m just down on the whole enterprise because good friends were in for it, but had to pull out when it became a TV show (think I’d have done likewise). Pity-it would have been perfect for them and they’d have been good for it.
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
A few years ago, our eldest son and partner went to look at a small North Wales NT farm. I think it was a 7 year FBT, small house and buildings that needed work by the tenants. Many constraints on the land use by written and physical. Came to the conclusion that the NT were looking for warden/caretakers and should have been paying a salary let alone asking for rent.
 

slackjawedyokel

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
A few years ago, our eldest son and partner went to look at a small North Wales NT farm. I think it was a 7 year FBT, small house and buildings that needed work by the tenants. Many constraints on the land use by written and enphysical. Came to the conclusion that the NT were looking for warden/caretakers and should have been paying a salary let alone asking for rent.
Well exactly. When you think what they’d have to pay 1+ full time staff, plus cover for weekends and holidays.

Still, I suppose if there’s a queue of folks wanting to pay for the privilege…
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
One of our neighbours is very high up in NT, she was telling me last week that the farms are their highest contributor to carbon emissions, couldn’t really work that one myself.
That will be more than the millions of car journeys to see a castle then? Of course ancient buildings sequester huge amounts of GHGs. That's why companies are rushing to buy them rather than farms to offset emissions
She needs to give her head a wobble.
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Part time farm , still retain full time
Job and enter enviro schemes to appease NT, at a guess ..

Good on the folk doing it i couldn’t do the tv bit ! Or i wouldnt want to but proves how keen they all are to have a place they can call their own , good way into something bigger in the future perhaps .
It is also made clear in the particulars that off-farm work is fine as long as the core objectives are met, so if someone wants to do that, that's OK.

The subtle but significant difference between working off-farm to supplement your income and subsidising a farm has been discussed at length on TFF. Surely this would be clearly at least being a manager for free if not even subsidising the NT?

It's not like the tenancy gives you the chance to farm. You are literally a park keeper.
 

Hilly

Member
The subtle but significant difference between working off-farm to supplement your income and subsidising a farm has been discussed at length on TFF. Surely this would be clearly at least being a manager for free if not even subsidising the NT?

It's not like the tenancy gives you the chance to farm. You are literally a park keeper.
I couldnt say i dont know the facts of the tenancy etc etc but i do know the winner and i wish them all the best !
 

maen

Member
Location
S West
Step back from being farmers for a moment.
This is a chance to live in the clean healthy countryside, in a nice house (is it?) and play at a bit of farming.
the rent will very likely be less for the whole than the same house would be alone.

It's a symptom of the age that outside factors would make running such a constricted farming enterprise attractive to so many.
I think that is an interesting point. Maybe we are seeing the folly of the change in government policy beginning to bite. Out with food production and ( in this case ) in with park wardens.
However, as we have seen with Thames Water, what appeared to be a problem solver can soon become a massive problem that will take an incredible amount of money to rectify.
Food production and its capability are being taken for granted in a belief that food can be always be imported. As a nation we have always imported food but it has been from areas of the world we have had control over and therefore pricing. You only have to see the amount of ‘influence’ China And Russia have around the world in an attempt to control the availability of future imports of both food and minerals.
The National Trust is really struggling to make money and cream teas in Grand Houses is not going to fill the gap. The cost of owning small farms has become prohibitive as just maintaining their many farm houses has become impossible. The current incentives for tree plant etc could arguably have been written by the likes of the NT. The ‘incentives’ make it possible for tenancies to be ‘reviewed’ with the majority of the revenue from the ‘ incentives’ going straight to the Landlord. The alternative before, I suspect, some intensive lobbying from many large landlords, was forced sales.
Now that really would not do would it?
 

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