Channel 4 now

[Martyn]

Early days but I think the connection between landlord and tenant to be is far to wishy washy. Tenants there to operate a business and farm in an environmentally conscious way, but has to be profit driven.


I think you would of seen more problem solving/thought provoking if they were given a stack of pallets, some water fitting and some basic tools and told to build lambing set up.

 

[livestock 1]

If farms are the biggest emitters of carbon then it would seem strange that they all are in the process of stealing carbon ‘credits’ off us and using farmland to offset carbon emissions from elsewhere
Never heard anything as stupid

 

[JP1]

If farms are the biggest emitters of carbon then it would seem strange that they all are in the process of stealing carbon ‘credits’ off us and using farmland to offset carbon emissions from elsewhere
Never heard anything as stupid

Very useful for big carbon intensive co's to have NT parroting that then. Do NT have Corporate donors?

 

[S J H]

But as @S J H said she’s unlikely to get the nuance between GWP100 and GWP100*

Me too @JP1 ive got no idea what gwp is.

 

[Henarar]

Me too @JP1 ive got no idea what gwp is.

Their is very little waste in nature, not even methane

Global Warming Potential

 

[glasshouse]

Me too @JP1 ive got no idea what gwp is.

Glad you asked that!

 

[slackjawedyokel]

If farms are the biggest emitters of carbon then it would seem strange that they all are in the process of stealing carbon ‘credits’ off us and using farmland to offset carbon emissions from elsewhere
Never heard anything as stupid

It all depends on how the rules of the game were drawn up (and who had influence over how the rules were shaped).

 

[egbert]

GWP100 vs GWP*
The former measures all methane the same- if i understand rightly- and damns ruminants.
The latter doesn't...........

Guess which measure they all use?

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Me too @JP1 ive got no idea what gwp is.

What is GWP*? | AHDB

Explaining GWP-star, an alternative measure for calculating the impact of methane on the climate.

ahdb.org.uk

 

[slackjawedyokel]

With these sorts of tenancies, where the landlord makes major stipulations on stocking densities, breed selection etc, is the rent set at a level that fully reflects the reduction in commercial potential, or are the tenants expected to try and make up the shortfall themselves via grants etc?

 

[egbert]

It all sounds very wholesome....I get the impression that this is a PR exercise for NT.


They are very 'cellular' in their approach....one estate/management area will have completely differing views to another.
That said, most are wholly bought into rewilding, and masses down here have had tenants either forced to abandon part of the land, or worse, shipped out altogether.

One well known forum member -from further East- seems have given up a large chunk of arable AHA land to be allowed to remain in the house....but I haven't heard how the deal was done. Mebbe charlie will tell all one day.

Good luck to these folk, but it certainly isn't how NT are acting in most areas.

 

[Old Tip]

Is this still the situation @Old Tip ?

Lots of interest in all NT farms in the Lakes, five were let last year all to young locals, one of my daughters went for one, sadly got interviewed but we’re not successful. My son got down to the last two on another but again missed out.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Me too @JP1 ive got no idea what gwp is.

Methane (CH4) is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide (CO2).
GWP100 compares the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of different gasses. It assumes they persist in the atmosphere but in reality CH4 breaks down into CO2 in a few years (8 to 12 years being commonly quoted). While the CO2 released is still a greenhouse gas, it can be discounted because it will equal the CO2 being taken up by grass (etc) to feed the ruminant in the carbon cycle.

GWP* is better than GWP100 at modelling methane because it takes account of methane’s short half-life and also the fact that it’s a step in the carbon cycle (rather than the use of fossil fuels that simply accumulate CO2 in the atmosphere).

 

[Princess Pooper]

The letting particulars are very interesting - thanks for flagging them up @upnortheast and make it quite clear what the NT's aspirations are regarding wildlife, including the beaver enclosure. They have a capital works plan for hedges etc funded through CS which will be sitting waiting to be finalised with other elements agreed with the new tenant and will be put in the tenant's name. There is also an area of woodland going in, again in the tenant's name for the ££ as long as they are going to do the ongoing maintenance.

Everyone applying for this tenancy will have seen this, which is very different from where the NT has come to existing long standing tenants asking for change in farming practice which I agree is an absolute nightmare.

The tenants tender a rent appropriate to their business plan and it is not always the highest rent that gets the tenancy on a farm like this, it is the one that appears to be realistic combined with meeting the NT's aims.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Very useful for big carbon intensive co's to have NT parroting that then. Do NT have Corporate donors?

Yes. The following are listed in their most recent annual report:

Barbour
Cotswold Outdoor
Ecotone
Forthglade
HSBC UK
Northumbrian Water
Sky
Vodafone
Willmott Dixon
Xbox UK

 

[ajcc]

I watched it entertaining good luck to the youngsters with stars in their eyes.
The NT fellow is one Giles Hunt. I am in Devon and have come across him, he’s a HQ politically sensitive high up. . . . .not a lot of “trust there.”
Watching with interest, we ought to have a sweepstake.

 

[ajcc]

Must be successful programme cause looks like they are planning on repeating format this Autumn for a Snowdonia property. Either that or it all went pear shaped and they going to try again?

 

[upnortheast]

Watching with interest, we ought to have a sweepstake.

Think it was filmed last year so folk round here know the answer ,

 

[Jackov Altraids]

The letting particulars are very interesting - thanks for flagging them up @upnortheast and make it quite clear what the NT's aspirations are regarding wildlife, including the beaver enclosure. They have a capital works plan for hedges etc funded through CS which will be sitting waiting to be finalised with other elements agreed with the new tenant and will be put in the tenant's name. There is also an area of woodland going in, again in the tenant's name for the ££ as long as they are going to do the ongoing maintenance.

Everyone applying for this tenancy will have seen this, which is very different from where the NT has come to existing long standing tenants asking for change in farming practice which I agree is an absolute nightmare.

The tenants tender a rent appropriate to their business plan and it is not always the highest rent that gets the tenancy on a farm like this, it is the one that appears to be realistic combined with meeting the NT's aims.

But given the level of interference, stipulation and limitation, they shouldn't really be calling it a tenancy, it should be a waged position with accommodation.

 

[bluebell]

Can anyone on here please explain how you can pay a rent, plus earn a living from that farm? I can see it, the other way, the NT pays "you " to farm it ? but please please someone explain the economics? On the country file on sunday they showed a welsh sheep farm, i think im right in saying it was 400 acres being managed run by a father and daughter carrying 1000 ewes, the programme "highlighted" the dangers of quad bikes and said that the daughter had been involved in a serious accident, so my point, 2 farms, one of 340 ish (NT farm) carrying just over 100 odd ewes and some cattle, the other a 400 acre odd farm carrying a 1000 odd sheep and some cattle?