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To be fair it's supposed to be all the same god, except Jesus is a prophet not the son of God in the Muslim faith, and doesn't count at all in the Jewish faith. Bit oversimplified but basically that's it.
Ban Non stun slaughter
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So you'd rather an animal didn't have a painless death instead was in pure agony for several minutes at the abattoir did you? Well each to their own, but the point is that non muslims and non jews should be able to choose halal and kosher free meat whenever they eat, in a modern society. I don't want my meat blessed by a cloud worshiper thank you and I think the majority of the public would agree with me. Neither jews nor muslims need to have non stun meat either frankly. Petition signed.
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Northeastfarmer
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Rum lot on here
one trying to cure death, and the otrher killing to save its life
one trying to cure death, and the otrher killing to save its life
kiwi pom
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I have no experience of how an animal dies at an abattoir, stun or non-stun I don't imagine it's a very nice process from being unloaded from the truck onwards, they still die very quickly. I don't work in one, perhaps you do?
@Kiwi Pete will know better than most on here.
I'm not getting into the, my religions better than yours shite because it's all rubbish.
And I didn't say I'd rather an animal didn't have a painless death, so don't try and put words in my mouth. I have no idea if a non-stun animal dies in agony.
We kill animals to eat them and, in most cases, raise them as fast as possible so they have a very short life which makes things more efficient for the farmer that's not ideal for the animal whichever way you look at it.
By arguing over the last seconds of its life, you're just trying to justify the whole thing to yourself and feel better about it.
kiwi pom
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Not the nicest of videos to watch, didn't see much difference in any method to be honest.
We should be more grateful to and have more respect for the men and women who do that job, so we don't have to.
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I'm old enough to remember the furore when PPCS (now SFF) went to Halal slaughter and most of the local Christian farmers sent their stock to Alliance in protest, for the reason you outlined .
(This was in the 1980's)
All that really achieved was a nice warm feeling that they had "done something" as the reality was, they got paid a little less and their stock were killed the same way at Alliance.
I guess that's the price people pay for thinking they know something about something
Mydexta
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Ask yourselves this
If a few thousand people moved to a Muslim/Jewish orientated country, and started demanding that our beliefs and rights were introduced, how likely would it be that the more vocal people would soon be “removed” from that society
As I’ve said before, this is our country, abide by our rules, ways of life and cultures, or go someplace where you’re ideas are more
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Its quite simple really theres no need to bring religion into it or make things complicated or bring other matters or topics into the discussion. I mean its obviously less barbaric to have an animal die without any knowledge of the matter and not feel the pain rather than simply slitting its throat and letting it bleed out. I'm seen lambs throats slit whilst conscious in religious slaughter and they bleat like hell so I would take from that they are in a lot of pain. Yes it would be nicer if lambs didn't go to slaughter at all but most people are omnivores for now so to push making it less barbaric seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do.
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i would not take to much notice of the rather opinionated nZ posters many of us agree totally with banning non stun method , if nothing else i would say it is bad pr for selling meat to the rest of uk population, because betty and John from blackpool certainly will be put of meat products if they knew the religious sop being given , as with the poster back a bit, ban it in uk and the import of meat slaughtered in this way , if you want to eat meat in this country , then it is killed stunned way, end off,
Unlikely and humans are naturally omnivores anyway
wanton dwarf
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The reality is that it HAS changed in our life times & probably a bit longer.
Processed food - taking what was considered waste & reconstituting it with chemicals to create junk food.
This is our era, one which I would like to see totally reversed - whilst I note Monbiot & HMG seem intent on doing going the whole processed fake hog.
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Really? Why does that particular comment set alarm bells ringing?
As for lambs 'bleating like hell', the job must have been done very badly. Whenever I've witnessed it it has been fast and quiet, with unconsciousness pretty well instant tbh.
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there are many abattoirs across the uk i guess your experiences as mine can not be of that many killings of our stock to actually know a true picture across the uk of this, unless you have worked as a vet or worker in different plants, in which i of cause stand corrected.Really? Why does that particular comment set alarm bells ringing?
As for lambs 'bleating like hell's, the job must have been done very badly. Whenever I've witnessed it it has been fast and quiet, with unconsciousness pretty well instant tbh.
Nick Adams
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Signed.
Historically stock were stunned with a poleaxe - blunt trauma to use farm assurance lingo. When my dad was growing up in the forties pigs were shot for home consumption. The captive bolt was invented in 1903, so a long history of stunning before slaughter.
As a Christian I prefer not to eat meat blessed by another religion. I sell beef and lamb direct and a significant number of customers want reassurance that slaughter is stunned and humane.
The other day a lady in a headscarf asked if i would sell live sheep. I declined and at the time it wasn't appropriate to ask where and how it would be slaughtered.
Historically stock were stunned with a poleaxe - blunt trauma to use farm assurance lingo. When my dad was growing up in the forties pigs were shot for home consumption. The captive bolt was invented in 1903, so a long history of stunning before slaughter.
As a Christian I prefer not to eat meat blessed by another religion. I sell beef and lamb direct and a significant number of customers want reassurance that slaughter is stunned and humane.
The other day a lady in a headscarf asked if i would sell live sheep. I declined and at the time it wasn't appropriate to ask where and how it would be slaughtered.
Hilly
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Lets test it and ask the head when its on the floor. Whos first ?