‘The interigation of Tony Martin’

[Fallowfield]

'Vote BNP and give Britain a dictator, says Tony Martin'


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...give-Britain-a-dictator-says-Tony-Martin.html

 

[holywell farmer]

I remember the photos they always put on tv had a new holland Tx68 I think outside so presumed he had a fair bit

That fair combine to harvest 200 acres with

 

[holywell farmer]

'Vote BNP and give Britain a dictator, says Tony Martin'


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...give-Britain-a-dictator-says-Tony-Martin.html

Didn't martin follow the ukippers fir a while

 

[New Puritan]

I watched it last night. To me it goes to show that it'd be best to do a no comment / silent interview (after confirming D.O.B / name / address) when they do the first interview. They interviewed him so soon after it had happened he hadn't got things straight in his mind, and what he said didn't exactly help him in court.

This forum's response to Tony Martin also reminds me slightly of when the Kray twins died, and loads of people from the east end of London tried to get in on the action by saying how much they knew them / met them once / respected them / loved their old ma etc.

 

[7610 super q]

'Vote BNP and give Britain a dictator, says Tony Martin'


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...give-Britain-a-dictator-says-Tony-Martin.html

Didn't martin follow the ukippers fir a while

Tony just keeps going up in my estimation.

 

[Osca]

This forum's response to Tony Martin also reminds me slightly of when the Kray twins died, and loads of people from the east end of London tried to get in on the action by saying how much they knew them / met them once / respected them / loved their old ma etc.

With a major difference: The Krays were criminals, out and out. Tony Martin is an innocent man driven to desperation by the unchecked criminality of others.

Few of us could be anything like the Krays. Almost all of us, I think, could be Tony Martin, if pushed hard enough by the unrelenting attentions of those seemingly above the law and contemptuous of it.

 

[New Puritan]

With a major difference: The Krays were criminals, out and out. Tony Martin is an innocent man driven to desperation by the unchecked criminality of others.

Few of us could be anything like the Krays. Almost all of us, I think, could be Tony Martin, if pushed hard enough by the unrelenting attentions of those seemingly above the law and contemptuous of it.

I only said it reminded me 'slightly' - I note the differences.

And don't get me wrong, I'm less than upset that some thieves got shot... But it still beats me why he was sleeping in his overalls with his boots on and had taken half his stairs up but hadn't (from what I can tell) fitted window locks.

 

[Fallowfield]

I only said it reminded me 'slightly' - I note the differences.

And don't get me wrong, I'm less than upset that some thieves got shot... But it still beats me why he was sleeping in his overalls with his boots on and had taken half his stairs up but hadn't (from what I can tell) fitted window locks.

I think what you have to bear in mind is that what you heard was Martin's version of events, which could well have been a pack of lies.

Certainly neither the prosecution, nor the jury who heard all the evidence, believed him.

And of course the forensic evidence contradicted what he claimed happened.

The prosecution case is that he was downstairs lying in wait for the intruders when they broke in, having been alerted to their approach by the dogs.

He wasn't driven by fear as he claimed. He was driven by anger and resentment and self entitlement.

He is one dangerous, unstable individual. I wouldn't want him living near me.

 

[PSQ]

I think what you have to bear in mind is that what you heard was Martin's version of events, which could well have been a pack of lies.

He is one dangerous, unstable individual. I wouldn't want him living near me.

Don’t f**k with him, or any country dwelling home owner, and you won’t have anything to worry about. Now go and tell that to the poor down trodden thieves you’re apparently trying to defend, and there won’t be any more ‘tragedies’.

Interesting story about some hare coursers near here at the weekend. Ended up with them apparently setting fire to one of their own cars in a field, after the locals gave them a ‘warm’ reception

 

[marco]

How would you act if you had been robbed twice previously @Fallowfield ? Full of confidence, sleeping soundly? Safe in the knowledge that you could talk a bit of sence into these poor god loving individuals and send them on their way rehabilitated. Fear and anger go hand in hand when your life is on the line.

 

[Dry Rot]

I think @Fallowfield has blocked me.


Never answers my questions..................

He gets more attention that way!

 

[Osca]

When someone is targetting you, destroying your business, invading even your domestic privacy you have good reason to feel entitled - you ARE entitled - the law should protect you. It failed him, as it is presently failing so many others beset by scum. And yes, you will also feel resentment - you should! - and deep anger - again, you have every right. But there is still fear; in self reliant individuals and in the really desperate it takes the form of anger and aggression. None of this is surprising or even wrong; it is human nature, survival instinct and any of us could be that man.

Unless you've been in that position you have NO IDEA what it feels like and what it does to you. I've been there; not on a farm (although I have had thefts, etc.) but in my home, such as it was, on a degraded, badly run council estate; you become permanently twitchy, every little noise suggesting the next assault. And yes, I think most people would consider me fairly well balanced and mild tempered, but my mental state as a result of fear, sleepless nights, lack of support from the authorities, ineffectiveness of police and council, the sense of isolation and vulnerability, brought me very close to killing someone on one occasion - a young yob, one of a crowd who was trying to stop my car while my little daughter was in there with me. I drove at him and he jumped out of the way with a surprised squeak; he really didn't think he was doing anything wrong - I was a fair target, an exploitable resource, in his world. It would of course have seemed OTT to the Fallowfields of this world, isolated and ignorant (I have to conclude from all these witless, ill-informed posts), from real experience of animals or communities or the real difficulties of life. Had I hit him, I could have been jailed; but in reality I was myself a victim.

So yes - I have a lot of sympathy for Tony Martin; and I think many others at the receiving end of un-policed thuggery would feel similarly; many- maybe the majority, not even farmers. Fallowfield and his ilk, secure and ignorant, are a huge part of the problem.

 

[7610 super q]

I don't think window locks are much use on older style windows ( don't know what was fitted in TM's house ). Big panes can be broken easily, as can glazing bars on sash windows. Given the trouble he had, I'd have probably boarded the lower windows up as was done to his house after the incident. Not much of a life though is it ?
It's fairly obvious to me that he was prepared to let the next burglar have it. And he did. And good for him.

 

[Dry Rot]

I watched it last night. To me it goes to show that it'd be best to do a no comment / silent interview (after confirming D.O.B / name / address) when they do the first interview. They interviewed him so soon after it had happened he hadn't got things straight in his mind, and what he said didn't exactly help him in court.

Do a Google for "Police: Interview or chat". It is quite revealing and a clear warning.

When my guns were seized, I was invited in for a "chat". I declined because when they actually took my guns I was presented with a form to sign with the explanation, "This is just a receipt to say we've got the guns. We'll be taking it away with us". The form was headed "Voluntary Surrender of Guns for Destruction". I am meant to trust the police after that bit of attempted deception?

My regular solicitor doesn't handle criminal work but advised me to get a lawyer specialising in that branch of the law "because the police will sometimes put words into your mouth". Surely not? It would have cst me a minimum of £500 to have a lawyer attend the "chat" because of the distance. I contacted my MP who took time off from Brexit to help me out. It took them ten months to think up a reason why they had been seized in the first place. My guns were eventually returned after a year with an apology.

Sorry if you have read this story before but it really needs repeating. Trust them not.....especially when they smile. At least we can tell when they are lying because their lips move.

 

[New Puritan]

Do a Google for "Police: Interview or chat". It is quite revealing and a clear warning

Sorry if you have read this story before but it really needs repeating. Trust them not.....especially when they smile. At least we can tell when they are lying because their lips move.

Oh I know! I really do. It's just food for thought seeing it presented on the screen last night. You're not on trial 'til you're in front of a judge, talking to the police just gives them evidence against you. Assuming they think you've done something they don't like, of course. Some of them are alright.

 

[Osca]

I think it looks more like you've run out of anything even remotely worthwhile to say, @Fallowfield ...

 

[egbert]

I think what you have to bear in mind is that what you heard was Martin's version of events, which could well have been a pack of lies.

Certainly neither the prosecution, nor the jury who heard all the evidence, believed him.

And of course the forensic evidence contradicted what he claimed happened.

The prosecution case is that he was downstairs lying in wait for the intruders when they broke in, having been alerted to their approach by the dogs.

He wasn't driven by fear as he claimed. He was driven by anger and resentment and self entitlement.

He is one dangerous, unstable individual. I wouldn't want him living near me.

Funny thing is Fallowdeal, i suspect that not many of us would want you living nearby.

 

[kfpben]

I’d love it if Tony Martin himself was a TFFer...

Any ideas @Clive?

 

[7610 super q]

I’d love it if Tony Martin himself was a TFFer...

Any ideas @Clive?

I'm fairly sure he's on here ? Hope he doesn't meet Fallowfield on the TFF stairs......

 

[Guiggs]

I think what you have to bear in mind is that what you heard was Martin's version of events, which could well have been a pack of lies.

Certainly neither the prosecution, nor the jury who heard all the evidence, believed him.

And of course the forensic evidence contradicted what he claimed happened.

The prosecution case is that he was downstairs lying in wait for the intruders when they broke in, having been alerted to their approach by the dogs.

He wasn't driven by fear as he claimed. He was driven by anger and resentment and self entitlement.

He is one dangerous, unstable individual. I wouldn't want him living near me.

I know a lot of people like that...salt of the earth most of them but don't ever do them wrong...