… exposing Britain’s Net Zero agenda

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The ‘elephant in the room’ that risks exposing Britain’s net zero agenda​

Mon, 11 March 2024 at 6:01 am GMT
UK emissions based on consumption and production



UK emissions based on consumption and production


It’s one of the Government’s proudest boasts. Britain, it claims, has almost halved its greenhouse gas emissions from 800m tonnes in 1990 to just 417m tonnes in 2022.

It’s a staggering decrease – a faster decline than almost any other advanced nation. And it is a fact that is used regularly by politicians to trumpet the UK’s progress.

“We’re far ahead of every other country in the world,” Rishi Sunak said in September. “We’ve had the fastest reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the G7. Down almost 50pc since 1990. France? 22pc. The US? No change at all. China? Up by over 300pc.”

But can a nation whose population has grown by several million in the past two decades, with each citizen consuming more than ever, really have cut emissions by such a massive amount?

Part of the answer to that question lies in the databases of Leeds University where the UK’s official “consumption emissions” figures – the statistical elephant in the room – are compiled by a team led by Professor John Barrett.

When politicians say that emissions have fallen to 400m tonnes, they are referring to the greenhouse gases emitted within Britain’s borders, from power stations, cars, homes, offices and what’s left of industry. These are known as territorial – or production – emissions.

What they exclude is everything else, meaning all foreign-produced cars, clothes, food and every other import as well as the shipping that imports those goods into the UK, and most of the aviation fuel burned for passenger flights.

These overseas emissions used to be relatively small, but as the UK’s own industries have shrunk, they have become an ever-increasing proportion of the overall carbon footprint.

In 1990, overseas emissions totalled less than 200m tonnes of CO2 emissions per year. Since then the UK’s increasing reliance on imports means overseas emissions totalled 350m to 400m tonnes.

Last year the UK exported goods worth £393bn according to government data. However, Britain imported goods worth £581bn, resulting in an excess of £189bn.

“Within a couple of years, greenhouse gas emissions associated with UK consumption will result in more emissions outside the UK than inside the UK,” says Leeds University’s Barrett. “Emissions embodied in imports will be more than the total territorial emissions in the UK.”

In real terms it means that, in addition to the 400m or so tonnes of CO2 pouring from Britain’s homes, vehicles and remaining smokestacks, there are another 350m to 400m tonnes being produced on the UK’s behalf but in other countries. If you add those two figures together and make an adjustment for the UK’s exports, you get Britain’s overall carbon footprint – its consumption emissions – which now total around 750m to 800m tonnes.

It is a marked fall from 1990 when the UK’s consumption emissions totalled 1bn tonnes but nowhere near the 50pc cut claimed by Mr Sunak last year.

“We have provided the Government with the UK’s consumption-based emissions data for many years,” says Barrett. “However, it is rarely or never quoted when statements are made about emission reduction. I believe it should be. Both approaches are needed.”

Energy consumption figures give an answer as to why the UK’s own CO2 emissions have sunk so rapidly. In 2022, the country used less energy from all sources including coal, gas and renewables than in any year since 1970.

The Government’s energy statistics briefings link this to warm weather and improved efficiency.

Perhaps one of the most obvious contributors is the closure of the fleet of coal-fired power stations that provided around 40pc of UK electricity as recently as the 1990s but which emitted tens of millions of tonnes of CO2 a year. However, although their closure caused some of the decline in emissions, it cannot explain the fall in overall energy consumption.

For economists there has always been a direct link between economic growth and rising energy consumption; the more energy a country can consume, the richer its population becomes.

Jorge León, senior vice-president for oil and energy research at Rystad Energy, says: “I’ve heard loads of politicians saying, ‘look, this decline in energy consumption is great, we’ve become more efficient’. But I don’t think it is all due to greater efficiency.

“We have seen many energy intensive industries closing down in Europebecause of the high energy costs. This is a broad macroeconomic environment where things are not looking great, where output is decreasing. Our declining emissions reflect that.”

The Government’s own statistics show that the sector experiencing the biggest decline in energy use is UK industry. In 1970 when the UK still had its own steel and other heavy industries, energy equivalent to 65m tonnes of oil was consumed. By 2022 that had plummeted by two-thirds to 22m tonnes.

Some industrialists warn it will sink further still. Last month, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, head of chemicals giant Ineos, wrote to Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, warning that the UK and Europe were “sleepwalking towards offshoring its industry, jobs, investments, and emissions”.

Sir Jim added that carbon taxes, designed to drive emissions down still further, were also “driving away investment”.

“These taxes have encouraged imports from countries without carbon taxes, which has increased the carbon footprint of Europe,” he said. “We’re not doing the world any favours if we’re substituting relatively high-quality production here in terms of emissions with poorer quality, lower regulated production from other parts of the world.”

Asked why ministers always cite the UK’s territorial emissions but never mention overall consumption, a government spokesman said: “The data is calculated using the agreed international approach to report emissions produced within each territory to avoid them being double counted.”

However the Government’s own advisers, the Climate Change Committee, said in its latest progress report to ministers, that the UK “must also reduce its consumption emissions, those embedded in imported goods and services”.

It added: “The Committee will continue to scrutinise progress on consumption emissions alongside territorial emissions and advise on policies that reduce both. Reducing emissions in the UK must not be at the expense of exporting jobs and emissions overseas.”

Bob Ward, policy director at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Research Institute for Climate Change, says: “Most of the decline in territorial emissions since 1990 has been due to the phase-out of coal in the power sector. In addition there have been declines in overall energy use, partly due to our economy becoming more services-based with manufacturing moving to countries with lower labour costs.”

Scientists and business leaders fear that if politicians are allowed to keep citing only the UK’s national emissions figures, while ignoring those generated by imports, consumers will become complacent about the environment.

Myles Allen, Oxford University’s professor of geosystem science, who served on the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), says the real discussions about emissions should be around ending them completely.

“Achieving net zero should mean, from 2050, no one can be allowed to sell stuff that causes global warming,” he says. “So anyone who sells a product that causes global warming would need to explain how they are going to stop it causing global warming – whether through its production, use or disposal – by 2050.

“If a single politician could spell it out in these not-very-complicated terms, it would have far more impact than claims about the UK’s carbon footprint.”
 

hoff135

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Surely those that continue to spout this nonsense know its crap, honestly no one with half an active braincell would think that as long as the emissions are not on our books they don't add to co2 globally.

Given the whole net zero agenda is bunk it seriously makes you wonder if the entire man made climate change science is just the same
 
Imports should be taxed commensurate with the carbon tax we and industry has to work under
or we export all our pollution by 2050
Just exporting our pollution will not solve global climate change
taxing the imports that under cut our lower carbon production from all industries

all uk agriculture needs is low carbon nitrogen fertiliser from wind /nuclear /hydro /solar electric
every farm in the uk could produce their own electric to feed a low carbon fertiliser factory
 

toquark

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The emperor's clothes are falling off.

All across Europe there is a rising tide against the mainstream political parties that keep banging this worn out drum. People don't want to hear it any more, they are now feeling the effects in their pockets, in their job prospects, in their investments, in their freedoms. The rubber has hit the road, it's just that the current crop of low calibre, virtue signalling, social incompetents who have spent the better part of two decades spouting this crap thinking it would be a vote winner haven't worked it out yet.
 

Bogweevil

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Nothing to see here folks, honest.


Manufacturing emissions are only a small part of any countries' emissions, but electricity production is a major part. The switch to renewable energy and gas means that Britain has in fact been successful in reducing carbon footprint by about 35%. Modest decreases in manufacturing and waste management have been recorded much less than would be the case if carbon outputs had simply been off shored.

As other countries switch to renewables and gas and reduce coal usage they too will record similar falls in carbon outputs.

The next stage will be to decarbonise transport and domestic heating, which like electricity production cannot be off-shored.The

Electricity production, domestic fuel use and transport represent the lion's share of carbon outputs.
 

L P

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Arable Farmer
Location
Newbury
Surely those that continue to spout this nonsense know its crap, honestly no one with half an active braincell would think that as long as the emissions are not on our books they don't add to co2 globally.

Given the whole net zero agenda is bunk it seriously makes you wonder if the entire man made climate change science is just the same
Just look up co2 levels in triassic period and prove your self right. My very basic theory on global warming is land mass absorbing and holding heat and water reflecting/refracting it it... the higher sea levels get, the more reflection/refraction there is which causes cooling, but ice doesn't refract sunlight to any great extent like water does, which ends up in warming again by the exposed land mass. All a natural cycle
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Surely those that continue to spout this nonsense know its crap, honestly no one with half an active braincell would think that as long as the emissions are not on our books they don't add to co2 globally.

Given the whole net zero agenda is bunk it seriously makes you wonder if the entire man made climate change science is just the same
Even if not "the entire" narrative, much of it wouldn't stand up to real scrutiny.

It's plausible, for sure.

The thing with many of these narratives is that it's "clever" to support them and "stupid" to say otherwise - maybe Huxley was correct, we have so much information available that most thinking people get immersed in it, and lose their self on the way out...

speaking for myself, I struggle to see people in the same way when they start spouting off, and they probably feel the same way about me. That is probably the intention behind many of the stories, if we care to look beneath the surface.

But instead we turn to other things
 

George Mitchell

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Livestock Farmer
makes you wonder if the entire man made climate change science is just the same
Nothing to wonder about, it's complete horseshit. There is nothing that happens on this planet that isn't a money racket of some sort. Climate change/whatever they'll call it next, war, financial disasters, all orchestrated by nudges here and there for someones benefit
 

The ‘elephant in the room’ that risks exposing Britain’s net zero agenda​

Mon, 11 March 2024 at 6:01 am GMT
UK emissions based on consumption and production



UK emissions based on consumption and production


It’s one of the Government’s proudest boasts. Britain, it claims, has almost halved its greenhouse gas emissions from 800m tonnes in 1990 to just 417m tonnes in 2022.

It’s a staggering decrease – a faster decline than almost any other advanced nation. And it is a fact that is used regularly by politicians to trumpet the UK’s progress.

“We’re far ahead of every other country in the world,” Rishi Sunak said in September. “We’ve had the fastest reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the G7. Down almost 50pc since 1990. France? 22pc. The US? No change at all. China? Up by over 300pc.”

But can a nation whose population has grown by several million in the past two decades, with each citizen consuming more than ever, really have cut emissions by such a massive amount?

Part of the answer to that question lies in the databases of Leeds University where the UK’s official “consumption emissions” figures – the statistical elephant in the room – are compiled by a team led by Professor John Barrett.

When politicians say that emissions have fallen to 400m tonnes, they are referring to the greenhouse gases emitted within Britain’s borders, from power stations, cars, homes, offices and what’s left of industry. These are known as territorial – or production – emissions.

What they exclude is everything else, meaning all foreign-produced cars, clothes, food and every other import as well as the shipping that imports those goods into the UK, and most of the aviation fuel burned for passenger flights.

These overseas emissions used to be relatively small, but as the UK’s own industries have shrunk, they have become an ever-increasing proportion of the overall carbon footprint.

In 1990, overseas emissions totalled less than 200m tonnes of CO2 emissions per year. Since then the UK’s increasing reliance on imports means overseas emissions totalled 350m to 400m tonnes.

Last year the UK exported goods worth £393bn according to government data. However, Britain imported goods worth £581bn, resulting in an excess of £189bn.

“Within a couple of years, greenhouse gas emissions associated with UK consumption will result in more emissions outside the UK than inside the UK,” says Leeds University’s Barrett. “Emissions embodied in imports will be more than the total territorial emissions in the UK.”

In real terms it means that, in addition to the 400m or so tonnes of CO2 pouring from Britain’s homes, vehicles and remaining smokestacks, there are another 350m to 400m tonnes being produced on the UK’s behalf but in other countries. If you add those two figures together and make an adjustment for the UK’s exports, you get Britain’s overall carbon footprint – its consumption emissions – which now total around 750m to 800m tonnes.

It is a marked fall from 1990 when the UK’s consumption emissions totalled 1bn tonnes but nowhere near the 50pc cut claimed by Mr Sunak last year.

“We have provided the Government with the UK’s consumption-based emissions data for many years,” says Barrett. “However, it is rarely or never quoted when statements are made about emission reduction. I believe it should be. Both approaches are needed.”

Energy consumption figures give an answer as to why the UK’s own CO2 emissions have sunk so rapidly. In 2022, the country used less energy from all sources including coal, gas and renewables than in any year since 1970.

The Government’s energy statistics briefings link this to warm weather and improved efficiency.

Perhaps one of the most obvious contributors is the closure of the fleet of coal-fired power stations that provided around 40pc of UK electricity as recently as the 1990s but which emitted tens of millions of tonnes of CO2 a year. However, although their closure caused some of the decline in emissions, it cannot explain the fall in overall energy consumption.

For economists there has always been a direct link between economic growth and rising energy consumption; the more energy a country can consume, the richer its population becomes.

Jorge León, senior vice-president for oil and energy research at Rystad Energy, says: “I’ve heard loads of politicians saying, ‘look, this decline in energy consumption is great, we’ve become more efficient’. But I don’t think it is all due to greater efficiency.

“We have seen many energy intensive industries closing down in Europebecause of the high energy costs. This is a broad macroeconomic environment where things are not looking great, where output is decreasing. Our declining emissions reflect that.”

The Government’s own statistics show that the sector experiencing the biggest decline in energy use is UK industry. In 1970 when the UK still had its own steel and other heavy industries, energy equivalent to 65m tonnes of oil was consumed. By 2022 that had plummeted by two-thirds to 22m tonnes.

Some industrialists warn it will sink further still. Last month, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, head of chemicals giant Ineos, wrote to Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, warning that the UK and Europe were “sleepwalking towards offshoring its industry, jobs, investments, and emissions”.

Sir Jim added that carbon taxes, designed to drive emissions down still further, were also “driving away investment”.

“These taxes have encouraged imports from countries without carbon taxes, which has increased the carbon footprint of Europe,” he said. “We’re not doing the world any favours if we’re substituting relatively high-quality production here in terms of emissions with poorer quality, lower regulated production from other parts of the world.”

Asked why ministers always cite the UK’s territorial emissions but never mention overall consumption, a government spokesman said: “The data is calculated using the agreed international approach to report emissions produced within each territory to avoid them being double counted.”

However the Government’s own advisers, the Climate Change Committee, said in its latest progress report to ministers, that the UK “must also reduce its consumption emissions, those embedded in imported goods and services”.

It added: “The Committee will continue to scrutinise progress on consumption emissions alongside territorial emissions and advise on policies that reduce both. Reducing emissions in the UK must not be at the expense of exporting jobs and emissions overseas.”

Bob Ward, policy director at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Research Institute for Climate Change, says: “Most of the decline in territorial emissions since 1990 has been due to the phase-out of coal in the power sector. In addition there have been declines in overall energy use, partly due to our economy becoming more services-based with manufacturing moving to countries with lower labour costs.”

Scientists and business leaders fear that if politicians are allowed to keep citing only the UK’s national emissions figures, while ignoring those generated by imports, consumers will become complacent about the environment.

Myles Allen, Oxford University’s professor of geosystem science, who served on the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), says the real discussions about emissions should be around ending them completely.

“Achieving net zero should mean, from 2050, no one can be allowed to sell stuff that causes global warming,” he says. “So anyone who sells a product that causes global warming would need to explain how they are going to stop it causing global warming – whether through its production, use or disposal – by 2050.

“If a single politician could spell it out in these not-very-complicated terms, it would have far more impact than claims about the UK’s carbon footprint.”
Why the feck does the UK keep elephants indoors ffs???
 
Even if not "the entire" narrative, much of it wouldn't stand up to real scrutiny.

It's plausible, for sure.

The thing with many of these narratives is that it's "clever" to support them and "stupid" to say otherwise - maybe Huxley was correct, we have so much information available that most thinking people get immersed in it, and lose their self on the way out...

speaking for myself, I struggle to see people in the same way when they start spouting off, and they probably feel the same way about me. That is probably the intention behind many of the stories, if we care to look beneath the surface.

But instead we turn to other things
Nah yeah KP, its kind of interesting hearing your perspective, I can't particularly fault it , the exclusion of bullshît and word fúckery if anything is quite enlightening!!!
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Watch any of Trudeaus pmqs from across the pond, Polivierre tears him to bits on this every time. Trudeaus singing from the same net zero sheet as our goons, but he’s too dim witted to bullshite his way thru.
Our last real goony goon simply made announcements about when there would be announcements until she didn't have enough left in the tank; and then disappeared, and then came back with about 400 security personnel for her wedding .

Good value
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Nah yeah KP, its kind of interesting hearing your perspective, I can't particularly fault it , the exclusion of bullshît and word fúckery if anything is quite enlightening!!!
Oh, I want to lash out at all the Chicken Littles .... but that's no use, they're quite beyond help.
Beyond sad and I'm beyond caring about them: they can go solar and shove lentils up their vag for sustenance if they feel it makes a lick of difference.

Hanging up a deer at the moment so yes there is blood on my hands, you'll wait a long time to hear any apology from me about it
 

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