1 acre FBT

[Pasty]

I have a neighbour who is a very good friend of mine and their garden ends at my boundary. They are asking about renting an acre of land growing a few pigs, geese and veg etc.

I like them a lot and the land is farthest away from me so I wouldn't really miss it other than a bit of grass, BPS or maybe £65 in grass license. So, maybe it's worth £200 a year to me. They want to buy it but the simple fact is that it's front of their house and any agent is going to value it way higher than they think. I've told them it is not for sale.

So, to help them out I'm thinking maybe a 10 year FBT so they can crack on and do what they like. If the ownership of the house changes, FBT ends. If they breach planning etc. FBT ends. They will have to pay all costs to set it up / fence it and I'm thinking something like £300 a year rent, fixed over 10 years. If they are doing pigs, I assume it will be a wreck if / when I get it back and there maybe costs in removing junk etc. if they just clear off.

Just wondering what the downsides are for me. Fencing maybe an issue. What price would you want for this?

 

[franklin]

2 years down the line there will be no animals but a pair of expensive nags knee-deep in mud.

 

[Pasty]

Possible.

 

[Sid]

Cost is the FBT paperwork.

Model clause avaliable from NFU call first of your a member then add clauses via an agent?

 

[Pasty]

Cost is the FBT paperwork.

Model clause avaliable from NFU call first of your a member then add clauses via an agent?

Ta. Not a member. I doubt they would have me as I'm just a lad with a few chikkins. Cost would all be on their side and protection all on mine. Dunno. I want to help them but can just see many a nightmare scenario.

 

[Sid]

https://www.netlawman.co.uk/d/long-term-farm-business-tenancy-agreement

Try this one then.

NFU countryside membership?

 

[Pasty]

https://www.netlawman.co.uk/d/long-term-farm-business-tenancy-agreement

Try this one then.

NFU countryside membership?

Cheers. That's worth ploughing through. No membership of anything. I'm like the A team except not as cool.

 

[wasted years]

Cheers. That's worth ploughing through. No membership of anything. I'm like the A team except not as cool.

You don't like flying?
Would you like a glass of milk?

 

[ewald]

If you like and trust them, go ahead - don't overthink the disasters that might happen. When you spend time on various internet forums you start to think the worst of everyone - lots of people are actually OK!

 

[DrWazzock]

I've been approached by a communist educational group to rent a similar 3 acre outlying patch who think it's possible for anybody and everybody to produce food cooperatively if only they had access to some land. It would be a very interesting experiment if the drive and enthusiasm they have now is turned into action.

 

[GTB]

I've been approached by a communist educational group to rent a similar 3 acre outlying patch who think it's possible for anybody and everybody to produce food cooperatively if only they had access to some land. It would be a very interesting experiment if the drive and enthusiasm they have now is turned into action.

Is there a punch line?

 

[Danllan]

Is there a punch line?

Very good.

Can't help thinking that there could be a money-spinner here if a few web-cams could be positioned around the place, maybe a sort of live-action 'Young Ones'.

@Pasty If you do rent it to them, just put a clause in stating 'No horses, ponies or cattle without renegotiation of the contract and reference to local commercial (specifically equine) rates.'

 

[glasshouse]

I have a neighbour who is a very good friend of mine and their garden ends at my boundary. They are asking about renting an acre of land growing a few pigs, geese and veg etc.

I like them a lot and the land is farthest away from me so I wouldn't really miss it other than a bit of grass, BPS or maybe £65 in grass license. So, maybe it's worth £200 a year to me. They want to buy it but the simple fact is that it's front of their house and any agent is going to value it way higher than they think. I've told them it is not for sale.

So, to help them out I'm thinking maybe a 10 year FBT so they can crack on and do what they like. If the ownership of the house changes, FBT ends. If they breach planning etc. FBT ends. They will have to pay all costs to set it up / fence it and I'm thinking something like £300 a year rent, fixed over 10 years. If they are doing pigs, I assume it will be a wreck if / when I get it back and there maybe costs in removing junk etc. if they just clear off.

Just wondering what the downsides are for me. Fencing maybe an issue. What price would you want for this?

Sell it to them for £30k with development clawback and remain friends.

 

[masseybreaker]

all i can see is the cost of the clean up when they get bored i know they will promise everything but when they have had enough it will change you need a bond or something like it

 

[devonbrion1998]

As above really....Plus you will all fall out which is never a good thing,maybe you could discourage them pointing out they would proberbly lose money and be plodding around in mud every day.

 

[DrWazzock]

Is there a punch line?

No. I often wonder how to help people get back in touch with food production. Some of my friends involved in these left wing organisations that are trying to get people involved and interested in food production are actually expert horticulturalists. They aren't just idealists and have put in real effort with allotments and city farms producing a fair amount along the way, as well as lifting some of the local community out of crime and destitution. I've seen it for myself and it's quite impressive. Nobody will let them so much as an acre though, even with all the paperwork in order. I find that a bit rich, given all the hot air that is talked about getting people in touch and interested with origin of their food.

 

[GTB]

No. I often wonder how to help people get back in touch with food production. Some of my friends involved in these left wing organisations that are trying to get people involved and interested in food production are actually expert horticulturalists. They aren't just idealists and have put in real effort with allotments and city farms producing a fair amount along the way, as well as lifting some of the local community out of crime and destitution. I've seen it for myself and it's quite impressive. Nobody will let them so much as an acre though, even with all the paperwork in order. I find that a bit rich, given all the hot air that is talked about getting people in touch and interested with origin of their food.

My apologies, it just sounded like a fantastic first half of a joke. Go for it, it sounds like a good thing to be involved in.

 

[DrWazzock]

My apologies, it just sounded like a fantastic first half of a joke. Go for it, it sounds like a good thing to be involved in.

No need to apologise. It does look like a joke when I read it now. In some ways I am keen to help them but I'm also cautious of what kind of mess it could end up in. I'd have to help them anyway, initially.

For the OP's case I'd do it with plenty of clauses in to protect my interest.

There is a shortage of allotments nationally due to pressure for development. I would imagine that offering some land for allotments would be a good thing in many ways, provided it's carefully set up and managed.

 

[delilah]

www.communitysupportedagriculture.org.uk

 

[Pasty]

Sell it to them for £30k with development clawback and remain friends.

Would be £100k down here. Which would be OK if they had it