10,000 cattle dead in Kansas

[som farmer]

Who got it first the cow or the badger ? Whos more important the cow or the badger ?

the politicians, who won't make a decision about it, for fear of upsetting somebody.

 

[Dead Rabbits]

Go on then.

I wouldn’t know anything about it

 

[som farmer]

interesting bit on u'tube, about this job, info haven't heard. 'peterson farm bros', kansas cattle farmers, well worth watching.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I wouldn’t know anything about it

I'll give you an idea, TB is a disease that mainly affects the respiratory system.
Badgers live in a hole in the ground with poor ventilation, cattle live outdoors or in sheds with good ventilation.
Infected badgers pee/dribble on grass which cows then eat.
Cattle get tested & killed if showing reaction.
Badgers are protected, so very little testing and very limited legal culling.

 

[neilo]

well your a great fekkin help

i think it's important to distinguish between a widespread weather or disaster event and a situation where the conditions are pre set for maximum 'efficiency/profit' with scant regard to welfare

i refer not only to 'the beast of the east' but also the distress of the wildfires in australia that killed many stock

of course there are different opinions and many are intransigent which is fair enough......but to try to excuse this incident by citing other disasters is wrong in my 'intractable opinion'

Isn’t the OP the result of a ‘widespread weather disaster’, but sudden intense heat rather than sudden intense cold?

I would fully expect mortality rates normally to be lower than on plenty of uk farms, purely down to economics. Dead cattle don’t leave a very good margin, and somewhere set up to look after 10k up to 150k cattle in one place can afford to make sure it’s right better than a fella trying to finish 10 on a marsh somewhere.

An extreme weather event seems to have caused an issue, resulting in 1 in 23 lost. Tragic of course, but not necessarily the fault of the system that you clearly have issues with.
Personally, I don’t see anything different finishing cattle in a feedlot, to the way many cattle are finished here, standing in a shed with a feeder wagon delivering their feed to them.

 

[beardface]

Terrible thing, never easy loosing high levels of stock. Should think the ranch hands were pretty down over it.
To put things in perspective though. There's about 9 million lambs born in UK every year. Say average 16 week lambing period, equates to over 8000 dead lambs a day at average 10% mortality.
Where there's livestock, there's dead stock. Most feedlots are well run and I think the bigger ones have an onsite vet. We might not like the way they finish stock, but it feeds the masses.
Remember a couple thousand head being hoovered up by a tornado when I was there, completely took out a couple of small feed lot operations.

And Kansas is about same size as UK.

 

[spin cycle]

Isn’t the OP the result of a ‘widespread weather disaster’, but sudden intense heat rather than sudden intense cold?

I would fully expect mortality rates normally to be lower than on plenty of uk farms, purely down to economics. Dead cattle don’t leave a very good margin, and somewhere set up to look after 10k up to 150k cattle in one place can afford to make sure it’s right better than a fella trying to finish 10 on a marsh somewhere.

An extreme weather event seems to have caused an issue, resulting in 1 in 23 lost. Tragic of course, but not necessarily the fault of the system that you clearly have issues with.
Personally, I don’t see anything different finishing cattle in a feedlot, to the way many cattle are finished here, standing in a shed with a feeder wagon delivering their feed to them.

perhaps i am wrong.....but somehow i do see a difference....TBH i reckon if i saw those feedlots i'd probably never eat beef again

i was thinking earlier i could quite easily raise all the meat our family would eat.......trouble is my fekkers wouldn't eat it

whole episode and some responses are a good arguement for veganism sadly IMO

 

[neilo]

perhaps i am wrong.....but somehow i do see a difference....TBH i reckon if i saw those feedlots i'd probably never eat beef again

i was thinking earlier i could quite easily raise all the meat our family would eat.......trouble is my fekkers wouldn't eat it

whole episode and some responses are a good arguement for veganism sadly IMO

Ideologically I’m no fan of the feedlot system, much preferring the image of cattle grazing in lush green fields.

However, few cattle are finished like that, and I really don’t see a difference between those huge feedlots, and having say 100 cattle in a shed waiting on the feeder wagon every day.

 

[Hilly]

Ideologically I’m no fan of the feedlot system, much preferring the image of cattle grazing in lush green fields.

However, few cattle are finished like that, and I really don’t see a difference between those huge feedlots, and having say 100 cattle in a shed waiting on the feeder wagon every day.

Exactly !

 

[beardface]

perhaps i am wrong.....but somehow i do see a difference....TBH i reckon if i saw those feedlots i'd probably never eat beef again

i was thinking earlier i could quite easily raise all the meat our family would eat.......trouble is my fekkers wouldn't eat it

whole episode and some responses are a good arguement for veganism sadly IMO

I've seen a few. Only thing of note is that they bloody stink. Can smell them a County away if it rains. But cattle all looked well and units were fairly tidy. Seemed no different to finishing cattle in UK. Only difference was no roof and less sh!t under them when it's dry. Prefer grass fed up with minimal indoor finishing myself as I like more flavour in my beef. BUT have to say steaks in US we're some of the best I've ever had for texture.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Ideologically I’m no fan of the feedlot system, much preferring the image of cattle grazing in lush green fields.

However, few cattle are finished like that, and I really don’t see a difference between those huge feedlots, and having say 100 cattle in a shed waiting on the feeder wagon every day.

Its done to produce cheap meat.
looks like that will change because even they (Americans) are going to have to put their prices up of their famous 'burgers etc.

and for this particular example if its continuous and ongoing global warming probs looks like they might need "to make sure its right " by moving North and putting a roof over them.

overall fact is World wide really cheap meat is beginning to look like something from the past.

 

[Far North Gollach]

I don't think any meat other than the pork is cheap in the US, been shopping there and it's all very expensive to be honest. A pack of three steak burgers was $7, a big milk was $4 and a big jar of Nescafe coffee was $13.59 in H.E.B. Same size jar of coffee was £6 in Tesco's when I checked.... I was going shopping 2-3 times a week and was averaging out at $38 dollars a day for shopping for myself and believe me I wasn't lording it up out there. They do have some belters of steaks on display and the most expensive individual steak I saw was $42!

I can only guess that the subsidies have managed to keep the food prices lower in the EU/UK, $100 in a trolley doesn't buy much compared to a shop back in the UK,

 

[spin cycle]

Ideologically I’m no fan of the feedlot system, much preferring the image of cattle grazing in lush green fields.

However, few cattle are finished like that, and I really don’t see a difference between those huge feedlots, and having say 100 cattle in a shed waiting on the feeder wagon every day.

well i do....i want my beef to be grazed then finished inside straw bedded...IMO if we can't see a difference then perhaps there is an arguement for producing/eating less meat

if we can't see any difference between 10k cows dieing in a feedlot and half a million sheep lost in the 'beast from the east' then perhaps filling those lands with trees is better?

i suppose chicken is another 'elephant in the room'

 

[Macsky]

From a local vet out there:

Tera Rooney Barnhardt

We had a natural disaster in Southwest Kansas on June 11th, 2022 and in the days that followed that greatly affected cattle being fed for slaughter. It wasn’t a tornado or a flood or government...

www.facebook.com

 

[unlacedgecko]

well i do....i want my beef to be grazed then finished inside straw bedded...IMO if we can't see a difference then perhaps there is an arguement for producing/eating less meat

if we can't see any difference between 10k cows dieing in a feedlot and half a million sheep lost in the 'beast from the east' then perhaps filling those lands with trees is better?

i suppose chicken is another 'elephant in the room'

when i ran my b&b pig units we worked on 3% mortality for weaners to growers (8 weeks) then 2% mortality for growers to finish (10-12 weeks). 2,000ish in a weaned batch and 1,500ish in a finisher batch.

 

[milkloss]

Someone sent me this.... I guess it's been posted already

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[kiwi pom]

I don't think any meat other than the pork is cheap in the US, been shopping there and it's all very expensive to be honest. A pack of three steak burgers was $7, a big milk was $4 and a big jar of Nescafe coffee was $13.59 in H.E.B. Same size jar of coffee was £6 in Tesco's when I checked.... I was going shopping 2-3 times a week and was averaging out at $38 dollars a day for shopping for myself and believe me I wasn't lording it up out there. They do have some belters of steaks on display and the most expensive individual steak I saw was $42!

I can only guess that the subsidies have managed to keep the food prices lower in the EU/UK, $100 in a trolley doesn't buy much compared to a shop back in the UK,

When I lived there I found it was often cheaper to eat out than do a regular supermarket shop and cook from scratch all the time, especially if you want something better than 2 minute noodles.

 

[delilah]

When I lived there I found it was often cheaper to eat out than do a regular supermarket shop and cook from scratch all the time, especially if you want something better than 2 minute noodles.

I do hope that is read by those who think the poor should be living on a 56lb bag of spuds.

 

[Uggman]

I do hope that is read by those who think the poor should be living on a 56lb bag of spuds.

Why not it's the cheapest food that's what we live on! After we have finished our garden ones!

 

[Hilly]

I do hope that is read by those who think the poor should be living on a 56lb bag of spuds.

Beats junk food and monster .