100,000 pigs to be destroyed

[Hilly]

"Contingency" I hope you go up to one of these people who are facing financial ruin and say that to their face. let me know when and where so i can watch please.

The farmers are not the ones that should have had a contingency plan it’s the slaughterhouses/processors their the ones that were using cheap forigen Labour and the writing was on the wall that wasn’t going g to last for a very long time .

 

[jg123]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444602733672153094

If we want to tackle our carbon footprint in the UK (which seems the only thing gov are concerned with) maybe we shouldnt be considering destroying food.

 

[JP1]

I do have a clue
JP made a statement that was wrong, I just pointed that out

JP1 mentioned what the industry is stating in terms of a euthanasia programme as a first on economic not health grounds. Now if you've nothing to comment on pigs on this thread why not just leave it, you're not making many friends with continuing with this

 

[Henarar]

JP1 mentioned what the industry is stating in terms of a euthanasia programme as a first on economic not health grounds. Now if you've nothing to comment on pigs on this thread why not just leave it, you're not making many friends with continuing with this

stop being silly

 

[JP1]

stop being silly

No you stop being silly

You'd be up for calling the milk producers if all of their contracted dairies refused to take more than 75% of their production?

It's quite legit that industry leaders say facing a euthanasia cull is a first on economic rather than health grounds

Now if you've nothing of value to add to this thread other than knowing one producer who happily currently can still move pigs, what's the point of labouring things when some of us are trying to do something to support those in the sector who are really suffering and through no fault of their own

 

[DRC]

stop being silly

Stop trolling . It’s more serious than that.

 

[spin cycle]

something isn't right here.....i've just been looking at ahdb pig uk slaughter stats only 3 weeks this yr have slaughter numbers been below the 2019 figures.......so in the other 32 weeks of this year more pigs have been processed than corresponding week 2019....with 4 weeks the same...its wk 39 total

between wks 8-22 2021 slaughterings were 10-20k more/wk.....roughly 5-10% bigger

we hadn't left the eu or had covoid in 2019

 

[Henarar]

Stop trolling . It’s more serious than that.

go away

 

[DRC]

go away

My friend and neighbour has pigs up to his eye balls, despite culling a lot of sows. He’s making temporary accommodation in the muck yard .
Grow up for once

 

[Henarar]

No you stop being silly

You'd be up for calling the milk producers if all of their contracted dairies refused to take more than 75% of their production?

It's quite legit that industry leaders say facing a euthanasia cull is a first on economic rather than health grounds

Now if you've nothing of value to add to this thread other than knowing one producer who happily currently can still move pigs, what's the point of labouring things when some of us are trying to do something to support those in the sector who are really suffering and through no fault of their own

no you stop being silly

Barren cows were worthless at one time and I am not talking about ones that had anything the matter with them, owing to government incompetence, no compensation
I just pulled you up because you were wrong
and now you are being silly

 

[Henarar]

My friend and neighbour has pigs up to his eye balls, despite culling a lot of sows. He’s making temporary accommodation in the muck yard .
Grow up for once

no you grow up

 

[Henarar]

My friend and neighbour has pigs up to his eye balls, despite culling a lot of sows. He’s making temporary accommodation in the muck yard .
Grow up for once

can guarantee you wade in but thats how you won your award

 

[JP1]

Abattoir labour shortage sees Yorkshire farmer kill piglets

A lack of butchers has resulted in the supply chain between farm and supermarket becoming blocked.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[unlacedgecko]

The problem is now.
Solutions are needed now.
Dealing with the causes and the rights and wrongs of it is for later debate so that it never happens again.

What do you think the solution is?

 

[JP1]

By Peter Crichton





1st October 2021



Sad to say that the SPP continues on its downward track losing another 0.74p and now stands at 153.57p.

Although the SPP is only down by around 6p/kg when compared with 12 months ago, it is still dropping and feed wheat this time last year was £175/t compared with £188/t today.

With the European average finished pig price quoted at circa 112p, it is easy to see how bargain basement EU pig meat is heading in this direction and undercutting our prices by a country mile for a lower welfare product.

Although some finished pig producers have recently been prepared to move overweight pigs at discounted prices as low as 70p/kg, reports have indicated that unless the shortage of butchery labour can be remedied 150,000 overweight pigs could be culled in the meantime and that there is a 40% labour vacancy rate in the processing sector, which paints a grim picture for the outlook for UK finished pigs between now and the end of the year.

UK weekly contribution prices are still falling with drops of up to 3p on the week in some places and prices are forecast to be anywhere between 130p and143p per kg, but with one of the major players thankfully stood on for a further week.

Regular spot bacon sellers are continuing to feel even more pain than contract sellers, with pigs traded in and around 130p/kg, but the “everything must go” pig price is almost bottomless.

Cull sows have always acted as a useful barometer of European pig meat price trends and with UK exporters dropping their prices yet again by around 4p/kg, a chilly wind continues to blow through this sector and for the first time for many many years, cull sow values are below 30p/kg in some places.

An average cull sow weighing 140kg d/wt is after haulage and deductions coming to little more than £35/head and hardly worth selling.

At least due to a weaker Pound the Euro has strengthened to some extent rising from 85.7p in value a week ago to 86.11p today.

Spot weaner prices continue to tumble with very little interest in this sector, but the latest AHDB 7kg weaner average still looks relatively healthy by comparison at £37.53/head, but sharper falls are forecast in the weeks ahead.

As far as outdoor breeders and straw based finishers are concerned, straw prices are looking more reasonable, but feed costs are continuing to soar putting yet more pressure on COP levels.

The latest available UK futures prices saw feed wheat quoted at £202/t for November delivery and September 2022 contracts are also looking expensive at £187/t.

Ex farm feed wheat prices have shot up over the past 7 days to stand at £188.20/t as against £177.40/t a week ago.

Barely prices are also looking bullish with November feed barley traded at £189/t and for September 2022 at £175/t.

Proteins are little changed with Hipro soya meal worth £365/t for November – January 202 and £336/t for May – October 2022.

Rapemeal is a touch firmer at £265/t for November – January 2022 compared with £248/t a week ago.

And finally, dangerous times ahead for the pig industry despite the NPA Chief Executive Zoe Davies urging the Home Office to re-think its decision not to issue temporary visas for migrant pig meat butchers to ease the current shortage, DEFRA need to wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late.

It is difficult to see what attraction there might be for temporary workers to apply for 3 month visas at this time of year in particular when there are plenty of secure jobs in Europe, which welcomes migrant labour with open arms unlike our Government.

The root of the problem dates back to Brexit, without which free movement of labour would be extended across the board as far as all EU Member countries are concerned, but sadly this no longer includes the UK!

Concern is also rising over the mental pressures being faced across many involved in the pig industry on top of all the other challenges which have to be met one way or the other.

The NPA Claims that Government intervention and support would be the answer, but not according to the politicians who seem to have little interest in the possible demise of much of the UK’s welfare friendly pig industry, unless the situation changes in the near future.

 

[unlacedgecko]

By Peter Crichton





1st October 2021



Sad to say that the SPP continues on its downward track losing another 0.74p and now stands at 153.57p.

Although the SPP is only down by around 6p/kg when compared with 12 months ago, it is still dropping and feed wheat this time last year was £175/t compared with £188/t today.

With the European average finished pig price quoted at circa 112p, it is easy to see how bargain basement EU pig meat is heading in this direction and undercutting our prices by a country mile for a lower welfare product.

Although some finished pig producers have recently been prepared to move overweight pigs at discounted prices as low as 70p/kg, reports have indicated that unless the shortage of butchery labour can be remedied 150,000 overweight pigs could be culled in the meantime and that there is a 40% labour vacancy rate in the processing sector, which paints a grim picture for the outlook for UK finished pigs between now and the end of the year.

UK weekly contribution prices are still falling with drops of up to 3p on the week in some places and prices are forecast to be anywhere between 130p and143p per kg, but with one of the major players thankfully stood on for a further week.

Regular spot bacon sellers are continuing to feel even more pain than contract sellers, with pigs traded in and around 130p/kg, but the “everything must go” pig price is almost bottomless.

Cull sows have always acted as a useful barometer of European pig meat price trends and with UK exporters dropping their prices yet again by around 4p/kg, a chilly wind continues to blow through this sector and for the first time for many many years, cull sow values are below 30p/kg in some places.

An average cull sow weighing 140kg d/wt is after haulage and deductions coming to little more than £35/head and hardly worth selling.

At least due to a weaker Pound the Euro has strengthened to some extent rising from 85.7p in value a week ago to 86.11p today.

Spot weaner prices continue to tumble with very little interest in this sector, but the latest AHDB 7kg weaner average still looks relatively healthy by comparison at £37.53/head, but sharper falls are forecast in the weeks ahead.

As far as outdoor breeders and straw based finishers are concerned, straw prices are looking more reasonable, but feed costs are continuing to soar putting yet more pressure on COP levels.

The latest available UK futures prices saw feed wheat quoted at £202/t for November delivery and September 2022 contracts are also looking expensive at £187/t.

Ex farm feed wheat prices have shot up over the past 7 days to stand at £188.20/t as against £177.40/t a week ago.

Barely prices are also looking bullish with November feed barley traded at £189/t and for September 2022 at £175/t.

Proteins are little changed with Hipro soya meal worth £365/t for November – January 202 and £336/t for May – October 2022.

Rapemeal is a touch firmer at £265/t for November – January 2022 compared with £248/t a week ago.

And finally, dangerous times ahead for the pig industry despite the NPA Chief Executive Zoe Davies urging the Home Office to re-think its decision not to issue temporary visas for migrant pig meat butchers to ease the current shortage, DEFRA need to wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late.

It is difficult to see what attraction there might be for temporary workers to apply for 3 month visas at this time of year in particular when there are plenty of secure jobs in Europe, which welcomes migrant labour with open arms unlike our Government.

The root of the problem dates back to Brexit, without which free movement of labour would be extended across the board as far as all EU Member countries are concerned, but sadly this no longer includes the UK!

Concern is also rising over the mental pressures being faced across many involved in the pig industry on top of all the other challenges which have to be met one way or the other.

The NPA Claims that Government intervention and support would be the answer, but not according to the politicians who seem to have little interest in the possible demise of much of the UK’s welfare friendly pig industry, unless the situation changes in the near future.

Grim reading.

What do you think the solution is?

 

[DRC]

Grim reading.

What do you think the solution is?

Government soon stepped in with support for fertiliser manufacturers , banks etc.
A compensation scheme to remove pigs from the system is the only way in my opinion , but what a waste of good food.

 

[JP1]

Grim reading.

What do you think the solution is?

Sadly I'm coming to the conclusion there isn't one

Outcome? Maybe sow herd contracts by 28000 sows (could possibly be much more over a more structured period) ending in potentially the sow herd 10% smaller

Breeder finishers following the first Yorkshire producer and forced to cull weaners and before feeding costs

The farmers demonstrating are not actually asking for money just the visa waiver for processing workers. The Home Office already granted HGV and poultry processing workers on a temporary basis - how easy would it have been to just add "& pig pricessing butchers" last weekend ?

And UK will import more pigmeat from countries with less welfare and other metrics transparency and likely using lower paid labour

Just really sad

 

[Chieftain]

-Stop importing lower welfare European meat, even if it means an inevitable price drop to match that of the stuff being imported
-Give Visas to European labour (longer than 3 months to be somewhat attractive)
-Lower restrictions on exports if possible

-Failing that subsidise culling of a percentage of each farms stock

 

[spin cycle]

By Peter Crichton





1st October 2021



Sad to say that the SPP continues on its downward track losing another 0.74p and now stands at 153.57p.

Although the SPP is only down by around 6p/kg when compared with 12 months ago, it is still dropping and feed wheat this time last year was £175/t compared with £188/t today.

With the European average finished pig price quoted at circa 112p, it is easy to see how bargain basement EU pig meat is heading in this direction and undercutting our prices by a country mile for a lower welfare product.

Although some finished pig producers have recently been prepared to move overweight pigs at discounted prices as low as 70p/kg, reports have indicated that unless the shortage of butchery labour can be remedied 150,000 overweight pigs could be culled in the meantime and that there is a 40% labour vacancy rate in the processing sector, which paints a grim picture for the outlook for UK finished pigs between now and the end of the year.

UK weekly contribution prices are still falling with drops of up to 3p on the week in some places and prices are forecast to be anywhere between 130p and143p per kg, but with one of the major players thankfully stood on for a further week.

Regular spot bacon sellers are continuing to feel even more pain than contract sellers, with pigs traded in and around 130p/kg, but the “everything must go” pig price is almost bottomless.

Cull sows have always acted as a useful barometer of European pig meat price trends and with UK exporters dropping their prices yet again by around 4p/kg, a chilly wind continues to blow through this sector and for the first time for many many years, cull sow values are below 30p/kg in some places.

An average cull sow weighing 140kg d/wt is after haulage and deductions coming to little more than £35/head and hardly worth selling.

At least due to a weaker Pound the Euro has strengthened to some extent rising from 85.7p in value a week ago to 86.11p today.

Spot weaner prices continue to tumble with very little interest in this sector, but the latest AHDB 7kg weaner average still looks relatively healthy by comparison at £37.53/head, but sharper falls are forecast in the weeks ahead.

As far as outdoor breeders and straw based finishers are concerned, straw prices are looking more reasonable, but feed costs are continuing to soar putting yet more pressure on COP levels.

The latest available UK futures prices saw feed wheat quoted at £202/t for November delivery and September 2022 contracts are also looking expensive at £187/t.

Ex farm feed wheat prices have shot up over the past 7 days to stand at £188.20/t as against £177.40/t a week ago.

Barely prices are also looking bullish with November feed barley traded at £189/t and for September 2022 at £175/t.

Proteins are little changed with Hipro soya meal worth £365/t for November – January 202 and £336/t for May – October 2022.

Rapemeal is a touch firmer at £265/t for November – January 2022 compared with £248/t a week ago.

And finally, dangerous times ahead for the pig industry despite the NPA Chief Executive Zoe Davies urging the Home Office to re-think its decision not to issue temporary visas for migrant pig meat butchers to ease the current shortage, DEFRA need to wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late.

It is difficult to see what attraction there might be for temporary workers to apply for 3 month visas at this time of year in particular when there are plenty of secure jobs in Europe, which welcomes migrant labour with open arms unlike our Government.

The root of the problem dates back to Brexit, without which free movement of labour would be extended across the board as far as all EU Member countries are concerned, but sadly this no longer includes the UK!

Concern is also rising over the mental pressures being faced across many involved in the pig industry on top of all the other challenges which have to be met one way or the other.

The NPA Claims that Government intervention and support would be the answer, but not according to the politicians who seem to have little interest in the possible demise of much of the UK’s welfare friendly pig industry, unless the situation changes in the near future.

how can there be a labour shortage.....first week of june 2021 15k more pigs were slaughtered than same week 2019......since then numbers have been the same?

wk starting feb 22nd 29k MORE slaughtered than 2019.....a month later 26k MORE.....thats 15% more than usual each wk

between feb 22nd and 1st june over 200k more pigs processed.....thats equivalent to over a weeks total slaughter