3 year old killed after ‘collision’ with a tractor

[Vader]

The lines where they can't get hurt and they might get killed are a long way apart and if they are not then they bloody well should be.

Anyone can be killed any time by many ways .
But stick to kids.
2 kids dies on farms last year.
2 kids were killed by dogs last year.

I suspect serious injuruys from dogs to kids out numbers serious injurys on farms by a lot.

Every death is a tragic.
But most were accidents.
How many kids on farms DONT get hurt each year?

They in more danger off the farm...

 

[Lowland1]

I spent my childhood on the farm around farm machinery and animals. My children spent their childhood on the farm around farm machinery and animals. It’s dangerous we all know it’s dangerous but it can be done with no harm to children, it’s not a lottery if it’s explained to them from day one, about the risks and the dangers it will be something they carry with them through life. My father was far more at risk in his seventies on the farm from trying to do things he’d always done i believe.

 

[kiwi pom]

I spent my childhood on the farm around farm machinery and animals. My children spent their childhood on the farm around farm machinery and animals. It’s dangerous we all know it’s dangerous but it can be done with no harm to children it’s not a lottery if it’s explained to them from day one about the risks and the dangers it will be something they carry with them through life. My father was far more at risk in his seventies on the farm from trying to do things he’d always i believe.

I think if its your farm and you're the only people around that's fair enough but its not right if staff are working there too.

 

[Lowland1]

I think if its your farm and you're the only people around that's fair enough but its not right if staff are working there too.

I don’t think staff should be responsible for looking after or out for someone else’s kids. I did spend a lot of time with non family members but for sure childcare wasn’t their job.

 

[toquark]

It depends I think a little on the farm, a small exclusively sheep farm such as this with little heavy equipment, and only ever me and my wife working there, I would argue is a lot safer than say a dairy with constant cow movements, slurry lagoons, telehandlers, tractors, staff everywhere, deliveries coming and going, tankers in and out.

That said there are still plenty dangers, and with two very young kids you have to be on your game if they’re out with you, and accept jobs will take a lot longer than normal. I draw the line at having them anywhere near a tractor when the pto is going. They don’t come out when I’m working in the yard with the tractor, neither do the dogs, but happy to have them out if we’re working with sheep or doing odd manual jobs, they learn loads, not least the importance of hard work and a sense of risk management as they see us doing it all the time.

On balance though, even with the dangers involved, I’d much much rather they were here than in some “safe” suburb or estate.

 

[Vader]

Mine had a little hi viz vest 'dads helper' when were small. Easier to spot out of corner of your eye.
Drilled in them if see vehicle moving or hear engine start up, then make sure they out of the way incase driver not seen them.

 

[Sid]

Mine had a little hi viz vest 'dads helper' when were small. Easier to spot out of corner of your eye.
Drilled in them if see vehicle moving or hear engine start up, then make sure they out of the way incase driver not seen them.

Hi viz is good until everything has hi viz, marker boards on machine and vehicles, posts and corners etc.

Hi viz becomes the norm and get ignored.

Bit like Amber beacons on the roads, recovery towing a car at 50mph(or even a car on back of low loader) (its only the same as pulling a trailer) stick on the beacons , rubbish lorry doing 56 down the bypass, stick on the beacons.

Slow moving tractor on dual carriage way ops sorry was beacon blind due to all the previous examples

 

[Bill the Bass]

supervision is a job in itself so be can’t really be done properly whilst doing your actual job

Said the parent of every three year old. I agree, It’s almost impossible to do any task effectively with a toddler in tow

 

[Dry Rot]

I think kids were a lot more safety savvy when I was a kid. If you fell out of a tree, it hurt. So you didn't fall out of trees and tested every branch to make sure it was sound. Now they don't climb trees "because it's dangerous". It makes me shudder to think how we ran, jumping, from one 2m rock to the next on the sea shore. Any fall could have resulted in injury, so we made sure we didn't fall. City kids are aware that if they get hit by a car it will hurt (or worse). Education, education, education. (And about dogs too).

 

[Vader]

Hi viz is good until everything has hi viz, marker boards on machine and vehicles, posts and corners etc.

Hi viz becomes the norm and get ignored.

Bit like Amber beacons on the roads, recovery towing a car at 50mph(or even a car on back of low loader) (its only the same as pulling a trailer) stick on the beacons , rubbish lorry doing 56 down the bypass, stick on the beacons.

Slow moving tractor on dual carriage way ops sorry was beacon blind due to all the previous examples

How many fsmily farms have high viz everywhere?
We dont so the high viz stood out.

Alteady agreed that shouls be no kids about if you got workers.

 

[Sid]

How many fsmily farms have high viz everywhere?
We dont so the high viz stood out.

Alteady agreed that shouls be no kids about if you got workers.

So we agree

 

[honeyend]

Just about anywhere is dangerous for a child of that age, if you haven't got an eye or better a hand on them.
One of the most dangerous places are car parks, someone is strapping a child in or out of a car seat, or buggy and while their back is turned the other child has wandered off and is someone's blind spot, and all is needed is a tap by a car to severely injure them. I have looked after a child on a ventilator where this has happened.
Its is worrying because reversing your car in the car park happens on most trips to the shops, in our local Waitrose one car was mounted on top of another has they had reversed so quickly. I watched a child minder this spring, she has three other small children in the car with a double row of seats, while the toddler wandered around the car behind her back, as she fiddled with the seating. No matter how much they yowl or whine, leave them strapped in until you can give them your full attention.
There is a picture of me with my face covered in boot polish as at toddler, because my mother kept cleaning stuff under the kitchen sink. Its a funny photo, but I could be dead, because their was lots of caustic stuff in there. I now realise as an adult that my mum didn't have enough sense to move it after it happened. They would go out when I was small and my sister was supposed to be baby sitting, she was about fourteen, I would climb out of the cot and be through the all the cupboards and draws.
Its stuff that happens, when you do not see the potential risk in daily life.

2 kids were killed by dogs last year.

I think dogs can be a danger to anyone, unfortunately its a every day risk that people do not see, a women died this week from a dog attack, making it, I think five deaths this year, well above the average rate.

Deaths and hospitalisations following a dog bite from 1981 to 2019 - Office for National Statistics

I have no idea who compiles this list, but if the look at the entries for 2022 so far its shocking.

List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My heart goes out to the child's family.

 

[Highland Mule]

I think kids were a lot more safety savvy when I was a kid. If you fell out of a tree, it hurt. So you didn't fall out of trees and tested every branch to make sure it was sound. Now they don't climb trees "because it's dangerous". It makes me shudder to think how we ran, jumping, from one 2m rock to the next on the sea shore. Any fall could have resulted in injury, so we made sure we didn't fall. City kids are aware that if they get hit by a car it will hurt (or worse). Education, education, education. (And about dogs too).

A lot more were killed and seriously injured “back in the day”. It’s a difficult balance, but let’s not pretend that the good old days were actually good.

Not got the farm accident statistics to hand, but here’s some for roads:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/442236/child-casualties-2013-data.pdf

Note the 10,000 more young victims in ‘79 than ‘13, against far more traffic on the roads than before too.

 

[Fendt516profi]

Five-year-old boy died after being hit by bin lorry in Walsall

A five-year-old boy died after being hit by a bin lorry in Walsall, police have confirmed.

www.expressandstar.com

 

[Will Blackburn]

Awful, but that will be a rta not a refuse collection industrial accident.

 

[Chae1]

How many fsmily farms have high viz everywhere?
We dont so the high viz stood out.

Alteady agreed that shouls be no kids about if you got workers.

It's not just staff, couriers delivering stuff, lorries, mechanics vans all coming and going all day long.

Should really have a gate and get everyone to sign in and out and HSE agreement.

 

[toquark]

I'll qualify what I'm about to write with the pretext that every child's death is an unimaginable tragedy from which the family will never fully recover. As a father of a 3 year old myself, I can't imagine what version of hell this little one's parent's are enduring now.

However...

As we have developed as a society, each generation has valued human life more than the last. The trends we see today of young people being terrified by climate change predictions or offended by everything are a direct result of being cushioned by a society and parents which strives to protect them from all physical risk, and increasingly recently, emotional risk.

There is a balance point somewhere, where me must accept that a degree of risk is not just inevitable but actually desirable and necessary to build resilience and instinctive risk management in people. Heartbreakingly, this means accidents will happen and very occasionally, people will die.

It's a very difficult argument to make, and will be scant comfort to those who have lost loved ones in accidents, but I think its important we recognise that some of the of the zero-accident zealotry we've all become accustomed to in recent decades is actually quite counter productive.

 

[robs1]

Just about anywhere is dangerous for a child of that age, if you haven't got an eye or better a hand on them.
One of the most dangerous places are car parks, someone is strapping a child in or out of a car seat, or buggy and while their back is turned the other child has wandered off and is someone's blind spot, and all is needed is a tap by a car to severely injure them. I have looked after a child on a ventilator where this has happened.
Its is worrying because reversing your car in the car park happens on most trips to the shops, in our local Waitrose one car was mounted on top of another has they had reversed so quickly. I watched a child minder this spring, she has three other small children in the car with a double row of seats, while the toddler wandered around the car behind her back, as she fiddled with the seating. No matter how much they yowl or whine, leave them strapped in until you can give them your full attention.
There is a picture of me with my face covered in boot polish as at toddler, because my mother kept cleaning stuff under the kitchen sink. Its a funny photo, but I could be dead, because their was lots of caustic stuff in there. I now realise as an adult that my mum didn't have enough sense to move it after it happened. They would go out when I was small and my sister was supposed to be baby sitting, she was about fourteen, I would climb out of the cot and be through the all the cupboards and draws.
Its stuff that happens, when you do not see the potential risk in daily life.




I think dogs can be a danger to anyone, unfortunately its a every day risk that people do not see, a women died this week from a dog attack, making it, I think five deaths this year, well above the average rate.

Deaths and hospitalisations following a dog bite from 1981 to 2019 - Office for National Statistics

I have no idea who compiles this list, but if the look at the entries for 2022 so far its shocking.

List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My heart goes out to the child's family.

Your story made me think of an episode that could have ended very badly for me, one day my parents had gone out for the day and left my sister and me at home she would have been around 13 possibly me 11, I had been watching a film where the good guy had blown up the bad guys by setting fire to some drums of fuel , my father kept the petrol for the lawn mower in an old plastic spray can in the shed, I decided to pour some on the concrete path and light it, was going ok then started to go out, so I poured some more onto it of course the flame went back into the can, luckily I had slip on shoes on and put one straight on the outlet and it went out, how it never exploded and covered me in burning petrol I'll never know.
Other pastimes I had were putting half used aerosol cans and batteries in bonfires my father could never understand why bits from the bonfire were all round the garden, another one was building airfix planes and filling the fuselage with cotton wool and pouring in meths setting fire to it and firing them out of upstairs windows by catapulte, ah the Joy's of youth

 

[quattro]

More "kids" stabbed, shot or die from drugs in our towns and cities than killed on farm. Although everyone is one too many.

But I know where I want my kids/grand kids to grow up.

100% agree lots killed in towns etc
Think there was one the other day
Tragedy for the family and condolences to them

 

[betweenthelines]

I'll qualify what I'm about to write with the pretext that every child's death is an unimaginable tragedy from which the family will never fully recover. As a father of a 3 year old myself, I can't imagine what version of hell this little one's parent's are enduring now.

However...

As we have developed as a society, each generation has valued human life more than the last. The trends we see today of young people being terrified by climate change predictions or offended by everything are a direct result of being cushioned by a society and parents which strives to protect them from all physical risk, and increasingly recently, emotional risk.

There is a balance point somewhere, where me must accept that a degree of risk is not just inevitable but actually desirable and necessary to build resilience and instinctive risk management in people. Heartbreakingly, this means accidents will happen and very occasionally, people will die.

It's a very difficult argument to make, and will be scant comfort to those who have lost loved ones in accidents, but I think its important we recognise that some of the of the zero-accident zealotry we've all become accustomed to in recent decades is actually quite counter productive.

Have to say I agree.

For a lot of youngsters these days their only experience of pain and injury is what they see on a screen.


I needed several stitches after being bitten by a dog when I was about four. Didn't put me off dogs (about 20 currently at our place) but it taught me to respect them.