AB15 2 year legume

[SamB]

Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done

 

[Huno]

Does anyone have any good tips please on the best way to destroy AB15 Legume mix prior to planting winter wheat? Possibly looking to shallow cultivate/rake before direct drilling with Weaving GD
Any advice on chemicals and rates would be appreciated
Thanks

Don't plant wheat after AB15.. cover crop over winter then spring crop or maize. There is not enough chemistry in the whole world to stop those weeds from coming back in the winter wheat... i am on my 3rd rotation of AB15.. you have been warned...

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Seen some AB15 near Hereford Last week a mass of Red Clover , my God I thought would they sell me that , I have spoken to them and it seems a few livestock farmers have beaten me to it ,

 

[nick...]

Seen some AB15 near Hereford Last week a mass of Red Clover , my God I thought would they sell me that , I have spoken to them and it seems a few livestock farmers have beaten me to it ,

I’m not allowed to do anything with mine apart from top it twice a year
nick...

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I’m not allowed to do anything with mine apart from top it twice a year
nick...

Retain until the 15th August 2cd year , it can then be cut and baled ?
The Red Clover should come strong in the 2cd year as quite a few of the species won't have survived

 

[Grass And Grain]

Seen some AB15 near Hereford Last week a mass of Red Clover , my God I thought would they sell me that , I have spoken to them and it seems a few livestock farmers have beaten me to it ,

Curious.

Last permissable cut will have been 15th May (iirc), so will be scenescing a bit now with brown seed heads, although the damp July has meant some greener material.

Will it have much feed value and palatability now?

Edit.
Dry suckler cow feed or half decent to give to fattening stock?

 

[Huno]

Curious.

Last permissable cut will have been 15th May (iirc), so will be scenescing a bit now with brown seed heads, although the damp July has meant some greener material.

Will it have much feed value and palatability now?

Bi curious??

 

[Huno]

Curious.

Last permissable cut will have been 15th May (iirc), so will be scenescing a bit now with brown seed heads, although the damp July has meant some greener material.

Will it have much feed value and palatability now?

Edit.
Dry suckler cow feed or half decent to give to fattening stock?

comments like this do not get made by farmers!!

 

[Huno]

comments like this do not get made by farmers!!

most seed is chitted or on the ground now in the UK... dont trust people who dont know...

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Curious.

Last permissable cut will have been 15th May (iirc), so will be scenescing a bit now with brown seed heads, although the damp July has meant some greener material.

Will it have much feed value and palatability now?

Edit.
Dry suckler cow feed or half decent to give to fattening stock?

Going past it again on monday will have a look but was in full bloom and plenty of green last time i saw it

this is mine at home cut early june ,not in a scheme , few weeks later cut , but going to dairy cows
Will take another picture when i see it but be supprised if its gone off a lot

 

[Huno]

Going past it again on monday will have a look but was in full bloom and plenty of green last time i saw it

this is mine at home cut early june ,not in a scheme , few weeks later cut , but going to dairy cows
Will take another picture when i see it but be supprised if its gone off a lot
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full of weeds under that but graze away... it doesnt matter a tinkers cuss

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Seen some AB15 near Hereford Last week a mass of Red Clover , my God I thought would they sell me that , I have spoken to them and it seems a few livestock farmers have beaten me to it ,

There is another patch there .... I will, look later today and see what it's like . Can be mowed tomorrow
Interestingly we mowed some off a month ago make space for the cars to park at the festival and I didn't find anyone wanting it so most of it is still stacked in yard ......Will be the same as you saw in the field just younger cut !

 

[Derrick Hughes]

There is another patch there .... I will, look later today and see what it's like . Can be mowed tomorrow
Interestingly we mowed some off a month ago make space for the cars to park at the festival and I didn't find anyone wanting it so most of it is still stacked in yard ......Will be the same as you saw in the field just younger cut !

Is it wrapped

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Is it wrapped

Yes

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Well im not a cow but if i was i woiod love to get my gob around this

 

[Grass And Grain]

Well im not a cow but if i was i woiod love to get my gob around this
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Last year in the drought, neighbour grazed some sheep on some legume fallow which was more senesced than in those photos, burnt up quite a bit in the heat. I've never seen lambs alter so fast.

To he fair they'd probably been short of grub up to that point, but boy did they pile flesh on.

We made some silage bales of stuff similar to the photos, and the heifers weren't too keen.

The AB15 we've got, which we're silaging now, has got some Timothy in the crop. Timothy has run to seed, but has regrown in the bottom, so some decent leafy grass, some nice green clover and some clover with seed heads now turning brown. Hoping to get it wrapped up before Friday's rain.

 

[Fat hen]

Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done

Find someone to take it as silage or hay

 

[Fat hen]

Find someone to take it as silage or hay

I would get it silaged - even if that means giving it away or for v little. wait for regrowth to start, knock it back with gly, DD it (or DD on the green), then sort the clover out in Spring.
350ac earmarked for silage/hay.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done

Whats it like now or have you cut it