Absolutely Horrific

[shotgun98]

Found out the other day that most of waitrose's fresh lamb(can't remember exact lines) is non-halal slaughter, and has been since 2011. Wonder how many other supermarkets are the same?

 

[Texel Tup]

I'm now told that the men concerned, being under investigation are barred from applying to do slaughter work, anywhere and that the MH Inspectors and the State Vet are also under investigation.

What would help would be if every individual slaughterman was licensed by a body which are qualified, rather than allowing a generic licence which is held by the abattoir. It would mean that there would be formal training and there would be a license, rather than the employer saying "There's a knife, get on with it".

Perhaps were every man who works in a slaughter hall to be licensed and be aware of the Slaughterman's Creed (look it up), then we may have men who take a pride in their work.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I'm now told that the men concerned, being under investigation are barred from applying to do slaughter work, anywhere and that the MH Inspectors and the State Vet are also under investigation.

What would help would be if every individual slaughterman was licensed by a body which are qualified, rather than allowing a generic licence which is held by the abattoir. It would mean that there would be formal training and there would be a license, rather than the employer saying "There's a knife, get on with it".

Perhaps were every man who works in a slaughter hall to be licensed and be aware of the Slaughterman's Creed (look it up), then we may have men who take a pride in their work.

I was not aware of this. I am shocked. I thought it was required for each individual slaughter man to be licenced...

 

[spin cycle]

R4 Farming this morning announced that the slaughterhouse has been closed down and there is talk of installing CCTV in all abattoirs that will be regularly monitored, also vets be allowed into previously closed areas (wots that?). Sorry, I was only listening with half an ear, but things do seem to be happening.

trouble is all abbatoirs will be penalised for this rogue operator when all is needed is for the state officials to do their job....mind you it might've been one who tipped off hillside....so what needs to be looked at is why are they scared to their job

 

[Texel Tup]

trouble is all abbatoirs will be penalised for this rogue operator when all is needed is for the state officials to do their job....mind you it might've been one who tipped off hillside....so what needs to be looked at is why are they scared to their job

As much as I loathe 'legislation' for the sake of it, the time must be here whereby the whole ethos of abattoir work, including the management of staff and the protocols followed needs to be met with a clear and unequivocal set of rulings which is controlled by one body which is responsible for all the proceedings. The Foods Standards Agency are already charged with that duty but seem to be woefully inadequate.

It must be time for abattoir owners, the staff who they employ and importantly those inspectors who oversee the proceedings to be held accountable for their actions. Simply passing the buck when revelations are released in to the press isn't good enough. We need a tighter inspectorate and though I've always been opposed to a big-brother approach, it's time that functioning and clear monitoring by a recorded film process is put in place and stored. Those abattoirs which are run on humane and ethical lines have nothing to fear and rather than receiving bad press because they're lumped in with those who have no thought for the welfare of the animals that they deal with, they will receive the protection which they deserve.

All those who act on our behalf and who inspect the killing process have their own dedicated office space and it is there that monitoring screens should be installed and any conduct which they witness will have them liable and with prosecution as the result of their negligence.

However culpable the 'slaughtermen' (if you can call them that) may be, the owners of these establishments and the government paid inspectors are all as guilty and should feel the full weight of society's revulsion and the Law. This cannot be allowed to continue, and trust me on this, there are those abattoirs still operating which permit such atrocities, and tomorrow morning, nothing will have changed.

 

[Texel Tup]

Found out the other day that most of waitrose's fresh lamb(can't remember exact lines) is non-halal slaughter, and has been since 2011. Wonder how many other supermarkets are the same?

But is it? If you're right, then presumably Waitrose have managed to alienate the bulk of the devout Jewish and Muslim population, a fact which would surprise me. Few of the two faiths mentioned would bother to shop at Waitrose for their groceries and then shop elsewhere for their meat supplies.

If you are right, then Waitrose have taken a very brave stance, and in the cutthroat (yes, intended!) world of supermarket competition, perhaps a decision which they regret.

Edit; A bit of research reveals that Fortnum and Mason stand alone in refusing to sell meat products which have not been stunned prior to death. Waitrose, indeed ALL Supermarkets sell unlabelled Halal and Kosher meats. It seems sense to most that meat which has not been stunned should be clearly labelled. Why is it difficult? Perhaps the answer is that if the Supermarkets were to label their meat then the more wary would refuse to buy those products which they see as having reached an unethical end, and so the product would sit about waiting for the devout purchaser.

 

[chris1494]

I would like to say I find the practice of halal/kosher completely wrong in this day and age there is no excuse whatsoever. And looking at it from a different perspective without wishing to go down a religious argument who's right who's wrong etc.

Why is there a total silence from the Christian church on this matter on both labelling and the practice ?

I'm not religious but did spend my earlier years until I said no going to church and spending time with other Christians but the way I read it is if you are a Christian and knowingly eat halal products then you are committing sin for want of a better word as its been blessed to a idol (in this case Allah)
And it's a sin to worship idols ,but if you unknowingly eat halal then you weren't to know and you are let off lol

We live in a Christian country so Christian beliefs and laws should be upheld by anyone that so wishes to live here. And that includes the non building of mosques does that make me a racist no it means I want to see us live as we want to in our own country and anyone not happy can go back to there country and live as they want not impose there rules etc on us !!!!! In return we let them get on with it and behead each other as long as we left in peace Rant over

So back on topic it should all be labelled no ifs no buts then the consumer can make up there own mind using there own conscience

 

[nelly55]

Has Denmark just stopped it.
Also someone has posted about a country China I think that is skinning dogs alive ,the picture that has just come up on my wife's Facebook will haunt me forever that poor dogs eyes.
If there is a God I hope he makes them pay in hell for the way they treat any animal.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Has Denmark just stopped it.
Also someone has posted about a country China I think that is skinning dogs alive ,the picture that has just come up on my wife's Facebook will haunt me forever that poor dogs eyes.
If there is a God I hope he makes them pay in hell for the way they treat any animal.

Yes Denmark has banned all non stun ritual slaughter.

I'm always deeply suspicious of these animal rights videos/stills of dogs/raccoon dogs/foxes/cats being skinned alive. What possible reason is there for doing it? It runs the risk of damaging the product (skin) and can't make the job any easier.

I remember some years ago it was revealed that some animal crusader was paying the skinners a months wages to skin animals alive for propaganda videos/photos.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I know this is from the US Fur Commission (hardly objective), but it makes interesting reading non the less

http://furcommission.com/saving-society-from-animal-snuff-films/

 

[nelly55]

Yes they are skinning them alive ,because they say it makes the meat better.Ricky Gervis Facebook page .

 

[unlacedgecko]

Yes they are skinning them alive ,because they say it makes the meat better.Ricky Gervis Facebook page .

I wouldn't trust that bloke as far as I can pee!

You talking about this photo?

Doesn't look like a skinning to me...

 

[nelly55]

Well I'm doing very well now two emails in response to my emails to number 10.
The one today states they were not trying to fobb me off by telling me to write to the fsa ,still don't get it I want an answer .
They are not accepting the problems and going to deal with the issues

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Well I'm doing very well now two emails in response to my emails to number 10.
The one today states they were not trying to fobb me off by telling me to write to the fsa ,still don't get it I want an answer .
They are not accepting the problems and going to deal with the issues

I still have not had a reply from number 10 , or
local mp

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I don't think I would be responsible for my actions if I saw those f@@king pansys doing sh!t like that to poor dogs, I'd skin the horrible little arseholes with a spoon

 

[The_Swede]

This may have been mentioned previously - apologies if so. I seem to recall on an earlier related thread re meat labeling that ALL red tractor labeled meat must be pre-stunned? Leaving aside the documented limitations of the RT system is this a fact, their website seem's to intimate this is the case....??

 

[multi power]

Why is this debate rumbling on year after year. We had threads running on this forum last November/ December regarding Halal slaughter, there have been Commons committees investigating and reports by the BVA. What now needs to be done to stop this as we seem to go round in political circles.

Is anybody actually doing anything about this (apart from moaning) I have just contacted my MP

 

[Matrix]

Please sign the petition below and distribute the link accordingly to friends and family

Continue to lobby your local MP's and maybe we can make a difference, following in the footsteps of the other European countries that have banned this practice.

10,000 signatures gets a government response
100,000 signatures and the topic will be considered for debate in parliament​

Click this link to sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/130884/sponsors/jovTkD4tGaMb0LtiaNeM

Allow only pre-stunned slaughter

We call for an end to slaughter without pre-stunning for all animals.
EU and UK law requires all animals to be pre-stunned before slaughter to render them insensible to pain until death supervenes.

The practice of slaughter without pre-stunning is already banned in Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Switzerland and Norway.​

This petition has been started specifically to ensure that the livestock produced by the British farmer enters the food chain having been slaughtered in a humane manner.​

 

[llamedos]

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/64331 well they didnt listen to that one.

 

[Matrix]

So we give up then ?