Ad plants , you can’t make it up

[Surgery]

Local plant produced too much gas and having to burn it off even thou there’s a shortage

 

[hutchy143211]

Probably because its not connected to the national gas grid and that its not possible or economically viable to pressurise the gas as required for injection into the grid.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Local plant produced too much gas and having to burn it off even thou there’s a shortage

Is it that it's producing too much or that it isn't of the correct quality to feed into the grid?
A gas to grid AD plant that I know of has to add propane to it to feed it into the grid. Sometimes (or more often occasionally) they flare it off if it isn't up to scratch.

 

[Surgery]

Is it that it's producing too much or that it isn't of the correct quality to feed into the grid?
A gas to grid AD plant that I know of has to add propane to it to feed it into the grid. Sometimes (or more often occasionally) they flare it off if it isn't up to scratch.

Was told he was over producing so had to burn off the excess

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Mmmmm AD plants !!!
Carting Maize 35 miles to save the environment?

 

[Oldmacdonald]

Was told he was over producing so had to burn off the excess

If e doesn't have storage, what is the alternative?

 

[serf]

Mmmmm AD plants !!!
Carting Maize 35 miles to save the environment?

I recon they would be better grassing it down and letting someone from Hereford have it for round bales ......

 

[Farmer Roy]

Err, we don’t have AD plants . . .

what a sh#tf#ck of an idea

who the hell ever thought that was a good idea ? Sounds like an environmental disaster

 

[Surgery]

If e doesn't have storage, what is the alternative?

Your probably right but do people that have paid taxes to subsidise such building of these plants that have had massive hikes in gas prices actually know this is happening still when there is no gas ?

 

[Farmer Roy]

ONLY in the UK would you have AD plants & be able to call them “green” or “environmental”
Anywhere else they’d be a disaster . . .

 

[Tarw Coch]

Mmmmm AD plants !!!
Carting Maize 35 miles to save the environment?

And probably every one of them showing complete disregard for the law

 

[tje]

ONLY in the UK would you have AD plants & be able to call them “green” or “environmental”
Anywhere else they’d be a disaster . . .

German concept ....

 

[Bongodog]

ONLY in the UK would you have AD plants & be able to call them “green” or “environmental”
Anywhere else they’d be a disaster . . .

The idea is quite ludicrous, but its not just in the UK, there's plenty more in other parts of Western Europe. It all dates back around 20 years when in order to meet "green" targets Govt's were throwing money at all forms of renewable energy, some were efficient. some were hopelessly inefficient. One of the most notorious was a biomass heating grant in Northern Ireland that was so generous it paid more than the entire cost of fuel. As a result buildings were opening their windows to let heat out in order to keep the boilers running.

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[Sid]

ONLY in the UK would you have AD plants & be able to call them “green” or “environmental”
Anywhere else they’d be a disaster . . .

Nothing wrong with AD plants utilising food/ag waste to create a usable energy source.

Subsidising it, makes it inefficient

 

[bitwrx]

The idea is quite ludicrous, but its not just in the UK, there's plenty more in other parts of Western Europe. It all dates back around 20 years when in order to meet "green" targets Govt's were throwing money at all forms of renewable energy, some were efficient. some were hopelessly inefficient. One of the most notorious was a biomass heating grant in Northern Ireland that was so generous it paid more than the entire cost of fuel. As a result buildings were opening their windows to let heat out in order to keep the boilers running.

That one did bring about the downfall of a government though...

ONLY in the UK would you have AD plants & be able to call them “green” or “environmental”
Anywhere else they’d be a disaster . . .

Wind your neck in.

AD as a process is a great way of turning unwanted biomass (waste food, dead animals, sewerage, muck, slurry) into usable heat and energy, as @sjt01's setup admirably demonstrates. The economics and regulation are often all to cock and give undesirable outcomes (like growing crops and hauling digestate for miles).

This is by no means a situation exclusive to the UK.

I'm not sure what your problem is with the UK Roy. When I joined the forum a few years ago I really appreciated and valued your input - and challenge - from a very different environment and culture. More and more nowadays I feel like you just come here to insult my nation as a primary objective (rather than merely as a byproduct of constructively challenging our accepted norms). I lament the change in tone.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Nothing wrong with AD plants utilising food/ag waste to create a usable energy source.

Subsidising it, makes it inefficient

There's a good set up by Ross on Wye that does just that...all waste products.
There are others in Hfd that travel miles and miles carting maize etc and drive through Hfd as though they are the only ones on the road ......

 

[Barleycorn]

Had this conversation last week. Contractor chopping rye down to 1/4 inch for a digester. All the trailers, pit men etc, would it not be more efficient to use the diesel to make electricity?

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Dare I mention..... should they he running on red diesel..... after a its an energy business not an agricultural one .....isn't it?

 

[Bogweevil]

Farm AD plants are actually quite effective with about 50% more energy being produced than used in the process. Not to mention nice break crop possibilities.