Adding a new breed to a suckler herd

[Anymulewilldo]

I think he would be a Gascon bull.They have similar colouring.

Is this some new Scottish breed?! Never ever heard of a Gascon?

 

[JP1]

Is this some new Scottish breed?! Never ever heard of a Gascon?

Has some popularity in Eire

A breed from SW France

Smooth coated but apparently hardy on hill farms

 

[Jockers84]

no not me . Think I saw him and it did look more baz than Gascon . Baz have more back end than Gascon and the dark mask. Going over that way this month will try not to go off the road looking in fields.

He looks some machine from the road, have seen some BAZ X weaned calves selling in Thainstone from that area so was just assuming really.

I had to actually just stop and just look, the last time I went past those cows!! Safer

I probably should of, was just in the darkening as the storm was starting to blow on Sunday late afternoon, still had to drive to Teeside so kept going. Maybe get a better study next time.

 

[Top Tip.]

Is this some new Scottish breed?! Never ever heard of a Gascon?

There’s a couple of herds that I know of there’s the one at Aviemore and another one at Elgin. There was also one over at Tomintoul but they dispersed two years ago. They seem to be a very easy care type of out wintering cow.

 

[JP1]

There’s a couple of herds that I know of there’s the one at Aviemore and another one at Elgin. There was also one over at Tomintoul but they dispersed two years ago. They seem to be a very easy care type of out wintering cow.

There's one in Suffolk belonging to a man who also has farm near Fort William

 

[choochter]

Gascon are lighter grey than Bazadaise and have a different, more angular backend, Gascon have black noses and eyes and skin, Bazadaise have a dark grey coat and pink noses, eyes and skin

 

[choochter]

He looks some machine from the road, have seen some BAZ X weaned calves selling in Thainstone from that area so was just assuming really.




I probably should of, was just in the darkening as the storm was starting to blow on Sunday late afternoon, still had to drive to Teeside so kept going. Maybe get a better study next time.

there's selection of young Baz bulls available for sale in Lancashire just now, from a very good herd noted for their quiet cattle, contact details on the Baz facebook page

British Bazadaise Cattle Society

British Bazadaise Cattle Society. 966 likes · 2 talking about this. Bazadaise cattle are an easy calving, easy care beef suckler breed. Calves are born small and muscli

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[JP1]

3rd February a friend of mine has a genuine reduction sale for his Father at J36 Crooklands

Young Blonde X cows bred from a closed dairy herd in calf to a very smart Bazadaise bull

Here's the link on FB :

https://www.facebook.com/william.richardson.90834/posts/10224609150989502

13 sold today average £1554

 

[JP1]

Gascon are lighter grey than Bazadaise and have a different, more angular backend, Gascon have black noses and eyes and skin, Bazadaise have a dark grey coat and pink noses, eyes and skin
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You know I pass a herd of them that belong to a friend near Lavenham often . His are a bit less angular than the ones I’ve seen elsewhere . I often think they are similar to the Aubrac and either to a Baz bull cross would be good

 

[FarmerDanny1989]

Gascon are lighter grey than Bazadaise and have a different, more angular backend, Gascon have black noses and eyes and skin, Bazadaise have a dark grey coat and pink noses, eyes and skin
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Interested to know more about this breed? (Baz). I’m currently running looking for a new breed also as coming away from the Lims! Iv been very interested in the blonde but they seem hard to find. Have used A.I though.
What are they like for calving?
Breeds they click with and don’t?
What’s there killing grades and Weights like?
Thanks.

 

[crofteress]

Interested to know more about this breed? (Baz). I’m currently running looking for a new breed also as coming away from the Lims! Iv been very interested in the blonde but they seem hard to find. Have used A.I though.
What are they like for calving?
Breeds they click with and don’t?
What’s there killing grades and Weights like?
Thanks.

Very easy calving. Work really well on blue lim cows . Calves are not much different at the start to lim x but fast growing and muscle up plus more variety of colour, never had any that were baz colour but lots of roans,(red and blue ,)and blacks, put to sims they can have white markings. Choochter will know about finished baz just sell mine store.

 

[choochter]

Interested to know more about this breed? (Baz). I’m currently running looking for a new breed also as coming away from the Lims! Iv been very interested in the blonde but they seem hard to find. Have used A.I though.
What are they like for calving?
Breeds they click with and don’t?
What’s there killing grades and Weights like?
Thanks.

The Baz and BazX that I have finished - steers are either U- or U+ and 3 (mostly) or 4L, weights dead would be 380-400 as that's what our local abattoir wants, KO is usually 60%, but I've had 62/63%, crosses sometimes 58%. Heifers same grades, lighter weight but I have rarely finished pure heifers.

The cross with Limousin also works well (see my pics above)

 

[FarmerDanny1989]

Very easy calving. Work really well on blue lim cows . Calves are not much different at the start to lim x but fast growing and muscle up plus more variety of colour, never had any that were baz colour but lots of roans,(red and blue ,)and blacks, put to sims they can have white markings. Choochter will know about finished baz just sell mine store.

Are they as wild as the Lim? Certainly don’t want no more like that!
Can they be used on heifers then?

 

[FarmerDanny1989]

The Baz and BazX that I have finished - steers are either U- or U+ and 3 (mostly) or 4L, weights dead would be 380-400 as that's what our local abattoir wants, KO is usually 60%, but I've had 62/63%, crosses sometimes 58%. Heifers same grades, lighter weight but I have rarely finished pure heifers.

The cross with Limousin also works well (see my pics above)

That’s relatively good figures tbh!
I was thinking maybe to try then on some AA and SH cows some pure some crosses would they work well?
I have plenty Lim and Lim X cows here so could try a few on them too.
If selling do they also make a good return?

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Are they as wild as the Lim? Certainly don’t want no more like that!
Can they be used on heifers then?

Good cross for heifers. They were worse than lims at one time for wildness. But that’s been bred out of a lot of them now, same as the lim

 

[crofteress]

Are they as wild as the Lim? Certainly don’t want no more like that!
Can they be used on heifers then?

Not wild at all . Quiet and easy . Not into jumping over things or going through things. Good for using on heifers ideal

 

[crofteress]

Some calves out of blue lim cows

 

[Henarar]

Some calves out of blue lim cows

Some lovely calves there

 

[Samcowman]

The Baz and BazX that I have finished - steers are either U- or U+ and 3 (mostly) or 4L, weights dead would be 380-400 as that's what our local abattoir wants, KO is usually 60%, but I've had 62/63%, crosses sometimes 58%. Heifers same grades, lighter weight but I have rarely finished pure heifers.

The cross with Limousin also works well (see my pics above)

What age would that be at and what finishing system?

 

[choochter]

What age would that be at and what finishing system?

under my regime, anything from 17mo to 22 mo, on silage and a barley mix ration