Advice for a land owner - 17acres

Ian050

Member
Mixed Farmer
Our family has 17 acres of quality free draining land, passed down from my grandfather.

Currently rented as silage ground to a dairy farmer who's hanging up his clusters next year apparently and grazed over winter by my uncle's sheep. Plenty of dairy men in the area who would snap it up, but we've always had a notion if we could get a better return from the ground through other means.

Would holding onto it, use for winter grazing by the uncle's sheep and making equestrian hay / haylage or baling silage to sell either from the field or stored and sold over winter be a better means? We have some machinery gathering dust, and I'm working for a contractor who'll let me bale it with his kit without issue should it come to it, so machinery cost would be minimal. Bale storage indoor or out isn't much of an issue, unless we get a phenomenal crop.

Anything else?

Or save the hassle and re-rent to another farmer in the area? Not shy of the work, just want to maximise the return from the ground, for all the difference would be. Fully understand any self managed option be much more hassle for only a few quid more (if even), but my father is recently retired, so would keep him busy over summer, and we both love the work. Exploring the options.

Current farmer renting it has treated it fantastically over the last 20 odd years, and would much rather rent again at a fair rate to someone trusted who'll continue this on, if rent is the pick.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
If you want a good return, the fields are reasonably flat & there is a turf company anywhere near by you might consider selling the turf off the field to them & then reseeding it with wild flowers & picking up the payment, got to go with the eco flow these days or so they say.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
I love my dairy farmer
Could I farm it myself and make more , certainly not
Take my advice and forget the baling haylage equestrian nonsense, I've done all that , or don't and come back in a few years and wish you had listened
Quite a few come on here that have already made their mind up, when you don't agree with their plans they have huffment , I hope that's not you lol
 
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capfits

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How does your wider family view it?
An emotional attachment is obvious for a number I would have thought.
Could it have other uses?
Solar?
ie chickens you could set up yourself? Does not have to be intense could be a different approach.
Split between the family?
Or the houses idea that @Still Farming is alluding to.
If income or capital is not the driver just let out again.
Best of luck.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Our family has 17 acres of quality free draining land, passed down from my grandfather.

Currently rented as silage ground to a dairy farmer who's hanging up his clusters next year apparently and grazed over winter by my uncle's sheep. Plenty of dairy men in the area who would snap it up, but we've always had a notion if we could get a better return from the ground through other means.

Would holding onto it, use for winter grazing by the uncle's sheep and making equestrian hay / haylage or baling silage to sell either from the field or stored and sold over winter be a better means? We have some machinery gathering dust, and I'm working for a contractor who'll let me bale it with his kit without issue should it come to it, so machinery cost would be minimal. Bale storage indoor or out isn't much of an issue, unless we get a phenomenal crop.

Anything else?

Or save the hassle and re-rent to another farmer in the area? Not shy of the work, just want to maximise the return from the ground, for all the difference would be. Fully understand any self managed option be much more hassle for only a few quid more (if even), but my father is recently retired, so would keep him busy over summer, and we both love the work. Exploring the options.

Current farmer renting it has treated it fantastically over the last 20 odd years, and would much rather rent again at a fair rate to someone trusted who'll continue this on, if rent is the pick.
If you have a turf company nearby I think you might be pleasantly surprised at what they would offer you per acre for one cut of turf.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Nobody considers how much a crop of hay takes off nutrient wise : a bigger amount of potash and lime than a crop of winter wheat. If this and a range of micronutrients aren’t put back then haymaking is a fast way to make good land poor. If a dairy man brings back slurry for silage then I’d say you can’t beat that.
 

Spencer

Member
Location
North West
Nobody considers how much a crop of hay takes off nutrient wise : a bigger amount of potash and lime than a crop of winter wheat. If this and a range of micronutrients aren’t put back then haymaking is a fast way to make good land poor. If a dairy man brings back slurry for silage then I’d say you can’t beat that.
In fairness we’ve been doing Haylage for over 25years on same ground. Just had biggest first cut we’ve ever had. I hear/read on here so often that it ruins ground etc etc, it’s complete and utter poppy cock! Just test your ground and replace off take, it’s pretty basic farming!
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
In fairness we’ve been doing Haylage for over 25years on same ground. Just had biggest first cut we’ve ever had. I hear/read on here so often that it ruins ground etc etc, it’s complete and utter poppy cock! Just test your ground and replace off take, it’s pretty basic farming!
How do replace off take if you don't keep stock
Given a cut of haylage will remover 60 kg of potash that needs replacing
 
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DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
It’s not poppycock if you don’t replace offtake, which it what I said. And yes you can replace the big ones like potash, calcium and phosphate with chemicals but replacing selenium, cobalt, sodium, copper, iodine and molybdenum is much more difficult without livestock manure brought back.
As they say, lime and no manure, makes land poor. Without grazing it tends to become open and weedy as well.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
It’s not poppycock if you don’t replace offtake, which it what I said. And yes you can replace the big ones like potash, calcium and phosphate with chemicals but replacing selenium, cobalt, sodium, copper, iodine and molybdenum is much more difficult without livestock manure brought back.
As they say, lime and no manure, makes land poor. Without grazing it tends to become open and weedy as well.
If you don't keep any stock and replace all off take with chemicals year on year your soil will soon go downhill
 

spin cycle

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Location
north norfolk
undisturbed ground allows cation activity that produces potash

my indices went from ad maize ravaged 0...to 3 and climbing after 4 years of introducing grass/sheep

phosphate same story but feck knows where that came from
 

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