Advice from 100 years ago

[Huno]

Arable farms don’t want the work but they want the muck, whatever anyone says about ploughing cover crops in.

Are you on acid?????

 

[Northern territory]

Are you on acid?????

Aye?

 

[delilah]

11. Don't sell to a cartel.

The yanks let that one creep up on them and screw the industry. And as they always say, what happens in America comes over here.

 

[Hilly]

11. Don't sell to a cartel.

The yanks let that one creep up on them and screw the industry. And as they always say, what happens in America comes over here.

Hard not to if your livestock.

 

[delilah]

Hard not to if your livestock.

Harder still for other sectors, that's why I said it, they never saw it coming and they should have.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Your obviously, very experienced in machinery sharing agreements?

My experience is whenever you need to use the shared piece of machinery the other farmer decides he needs to use it at exactly the same time. Its almost like your call triggers the need for that job to start.


When you go to pick up the machine it's invariably broken. Which the person you share it with omitted to tell you about.

Either that or they've made a half arsed job of fixing it. Get half way round field and it breaks again.

So you spend most of day collecting parts and repairing it. Then other guy picks it up, ready to go!

So these are my experiences of machinery sharing and won't be doing anymore.

Got out of last one this spring.

It's simple, set up a separate company for it in joint names,

Each put in the same amount of money to that account,

Now charge set out a good charge per acre,
Each has to pay for work done,

Designated operators for Each machine,

Money gathered in to the joint account pays all repairs and replacement costs

 

[Hilly]

Harder still for other sectors, that's why I said it, they never saw it coming and they should have.

They dont care they ask them how much they are going to pay them. How many people ask gangsters how much they want to pay them ? Its joke .

 

[Huno]

Harder still for other sectors, that's why I said it, they never saw it coming and they should have.

Feed it..kill it.. cook it..serve it... simple none cartel stuff

 

[delilah]

Feed it..kill it.. cook it..serve it... simple none cartel stuff

a la cartel menu.

 

[willie waver]

Point 9 is often true especially in the UK

Never a borrower nor lender be

the author is suggesting the opposite though, the title is how to go broke, so he's saying you should cooperate with your neighbours to avoid going broke

 

[willie waver]

If dad had not taken a risk and borrowed, we would still be on 30 acre smallholding in Cheshire rather than 600 acre bought and paid for , and poking fun at farmers sons who had a silver spoon in their pocket

out of interest, have you ever gone back and checked what the value of the old 30 acre place in cheshire is now? would be ironic if it'd been turned into 30 acres of million pound mansions

 

[Huno]

a la cartel menu.

Ok i get that.. dont spawn it in the first place?? Cartel dies???

 

[Huno]

the author is suggesting the opposite though, the title is how to go broke, so he's saying you should cooperate with your neighbours to avoid going broke

All the best with that!!!

 

[Huno]

The author is American... deal with your neighbours at least 2 neighbours away is modern advice....

 

[Wisconsonian]

They began taming the prairies far earlier than that from memory. The steel plough was invented way earlier- 100 years or so before the 1930s.

The 20's were unusually wet over the dustbowl area of Colorado, New Mexico, western Kansas, the final frontier of agriculture, so they had great yields, and plowed more and more each year, combines, tractors and one way disk plows made it easier.

This was from Tennessee so they were definitely more concerned about water erosion, and fertility than wind. East of the Mississippi and especially east Tennessee gets huge amounts of rain, so completely different soils than the dustbowl area. Cover crops may have meant the same as it does today, or it may have just meant a crop rotation of hay and corn.

Contour strip cropping etc. was promoted big starting in the 30's, but Tennessee and the south east had been economically and agriculturally depressed for decades before. I remember when the stock market crashed and Roosevelt came on the TV and told us not to plow up and down the hills anymore (apologies to Sleepy Joe).

 

[michael N123]

Not talking about half and half ownership. Talking about ringing up to borrow a trailer or some such for a day or so. Did that once, came back with unequal sized tyres

Last time I lent a trailer out it came back with a bent ring not repaired as it had been moved with a JCB headstock that got stuck in and also bent…

 

[Chae1]

11. Don't sell to a cartel.

The yanks let that one creep up on them and screw the industry. And as they always say, what happens in America comes over here.

When I worked in America, co operatives seemed very popular.

Was a grain elevator silos where fuel, fertiliser, seed came from, grain went in there.

I don't know the exact business model.

 

[Lowland1]

The 20's were unusually wet over the dustbowl area of Colorado, New Mexico, western Kansas, the final frontier of agriculture, so they had great yields, and plowed more and more each year, combines, tractors and one way disk plows made it easier.

This was from Tennessee so they were definitely more concerned about water erosion, and fertility than wind. East of the Mississippi and especially east Tennessee gets huge amounts of rain, so completely different soils than the dustbowl area. Cover crops may have meant the same as it does today, or it may have just meant a crop rotation of hay and corn.

Contour strip cropping etc. was promoted big starting in the 30's, but Tennessee and the south east had been economically and agriculturally depressed for decades before. I remember when the stock market crashed and Roosevelt came on the TV and told us not to plow up and down the hills anymore (apologies to Sleepy Joe).

I worked in the hills in Tennessee. Cover crops there are different to the new ‘cover crops’. It is basically a small grain planted in the autumn and harvested late may or june to be followed by either corn or beans. If soil is left bare over winter then it would all be at the bottom of the hill by spring. Lots of the fields we worked would have grass strips in them to let water flow without causing erosion. Cover crops is a bit of a red herring it’s really double cropping once you go further north it’s probably not possible but in a lot of the southern states and some of the midwest this goes on.