American/Canadian milling wheat varieties

[Badshot]

We import these wheats to add to the grist I believe.

What are they?
Are they agronomically ok?
How hard is it to import seed?
Just interested in other countries crops that we import and use over our own really.

 

[crazy_bull]

We tried it with Canadian varieties, they just don’t seem to create the same quality of wheat as when grown over there,

A C Barrie was one and then a numbered variety that I forget.

No idea why…….

German wheats have been interesting but again not ground breaking, think Nelson is the only one that seems to be worth looking at.

C B

 

[Farmer Roy]

Probably because those wheats are bred for those environments . . .

 

[Brisel]

We tried it with Canadian varieties, they just don’t seem to create the same quality of wheat as when grown over there,

A C Barrie was one and then a numbered variety that I forget.

No idea why…….

German wheats have been interesting but again not ground breaking, think Nelson is the only one that seems to be worth looking at.

C B

I'll bet anyone connected with AC Barrie shudders at the memory! Gleadell were left holding the baby on that one IIRC. I grew it for 2 years. The second time I grew it, I struggled to get it away as the mills didn't want it.

For high protein, you need plenty of sunshine - something we just don't seem to have enough of.

 

[Flintstone]

I’ve got some ‘Faller’ Canadian red wheat in the ground. Looks pretty good to be fair. I’ve grown it on Low Input Cereal land for Mid Tier (£354/ha) and am expecting a yield of 1.75 t/acre. It has a fair bit of YR, which is to be expected with no fungicide.
It flew out of the ground back in early March, and has been very easy to grow.

 

[Badshot]

I’ve got some ‘Faller’ Canadian red wheat in the ground. Looks pretty good to be fair. I’ve grown it on Low Input Cereal land for Mid Tier (£354/ha) and am expecting a yield of 1.75 t/acre. It has a fair bit of YR, which is to be expected with no fungicide.
It flew out of the ground back in early March, and has been very easy to grow.

That sounds promising. What end users are there? Ie, what market is there for it?

 

[Flintstone]

It’s a Premium Crops contract.

 

[warksfarmer]

We import these wheats to add to the grist I believe.

What are they?
Are they agronomically ok?
How hard is it to import seed?
Just interested in other countries crops that we import and use over our own really.

I cant remember what variety it was but we tried one about 10 years ago on some good wheat land. I remember it not tillering very well so you need a higher seed rate than what the supplier will tell you. The heads seemed to be 3/4 formed compared to a standard miller over here. I remember it returning 2.8t/acre with a full chem and fert program. Proteins were silly high around 15-16% but bushel weight was horrible so it went for feed in the end. Also it was horrible to thrash out like spring wheat is.

 

[Flatlander]

I’ve got some ‘Faller’ Canadian red wheat in the ground. Looks pretty good to be fair. I’ve grown it on Low Input Cereal land for Mid Tier (£354/ha) and am expecting a yield of 1.75 t/acre. It has a fair bit of YR, which is to be expected with no fungicide.
It flew out of the ground back in early March, and has been very easy to grow.

faller is by far the most popular feed wheat in my area. With numerous feed mills locally it’s in big demand. It’s classified as a dark northern wheat here as it was bred out of North Dakota. Faller was named well as it is prone to lodging if pushed with higher N rates. Intresting to see how it preforms when planted in March. Here early would be 25 April. I’ve seeded it first few days in June and yielded above your expected ton and three quarters. Picture taken first week in august from early June planting

 

[teslacoils]

I think the replacement for AC Barrie was AD75 or something like that. We grew a heap of it in 2012 or whever the previous "year where it rained all the time" was and planted in April. Made a pile of dosh due to contract prices. Was a one time wonder for us. Never grew it again. Have tried some of the German wheats - iirc one was called Magister. Was poor.

 

[Badshot]

faller is by far the most popular feed wheat in my area. With numerous feed mills locally it’s in big demand. It’s classified as a dark northern wheat here as it was bred out of North Dakota. Faller was named well as it is prone to lodging if pushed with higher N rates. Intresting to see how it preforms when planted in March. Here early would be 25 April. I’ve seeded it first few days in June and yielded above your expected ton and three quarters. Picture taken first week in august from early June planting

It's feed not milling then? We have enough feed wheat in this country, we need better quality milling.

 

[David.]

We fail to appreciate the different growing conditions in Canada.
The explosion of growth, given sufficient moisture and heat units has to be witnessed to be believed. Its almost akin to growing in a greenhouse.

 

[nxy]

French hard wheats might suit UK conditions better than North American ones. Its 90 euros a T premium over milling but its hard to hit full spec at minimum 14.5% protein and 78 kg/hl and the premiums evaporate fast if you don't meet spec.

 

[Flatlander]

It's feed not milling then? We have enough feed wheat in this country, we need better quality milling.

In the states it’s milling but in Canada it’s a feed wheat. Still bought to blend with hard red wheat but does have a discount. Visually the only difference is larger seeds. Sy manness on the left a bought variety to try this year and home produced faller on the right

 

[Encal]

https://konferencer.au.dk/fileadmin/konferencer/cernet/European_bread_wheat_standards_-_a_breeder_s_challange_-_Finn_Borum__Sejet.pdf

Few years old (trying to dig out latest list) but quite interesting. Also explains grading system well.

 

[Banana Bar]

I’ve got some ‘Faller’ Canadian red wheat in the ground. Looks pretty good to be fair. I’ve grown it on Low Input Cereal land for Mid Tier (£354/ha) and am expecting a yield of 1.75 t/acre. It has a fair bit of YR, which is to be expected with no fungicide.
It flew out of the ground back in early March, and has been very easy to grow.

Why no fungicide?

 

[Farmer Roy]

I’m amazed that you are even able to consider importing seed from another country

From a customs & Biosecurity point of view, it just wouldn’t happen here without serious quarantine & import regulations

 

[Farmer Roy]

Agriculturally, I can’t think of a single species or variety that has been directly imported & been successful here.

a LOT of breeding is done to ensure cultivars are best suited to OUR environment & conditions.

yes, genetics have been introduced from elsewhere ( be it wheat, canola, grain sorghum or cotton or whatever ), but only to use certain desirable traits that can be incorporated into breeding programs for “local” environments

 

[nxy]

I’m amazed that you are even able to consider importing seed from another country

From a customs & Biosecurity point of view, it just wouldn’t happen here without serious quarantine & import regulations

Quite a lot of our seed is imported from outside Europe especially forage seed. A few years back I planted US grown Tall fescue with a mixture of NZ and AUS produced clovers, its normal here. Millet and Sorghum can come from all over but often USA.

I remember having a chat with an EU seed breeder who sent spring cereal seed every year to NZ to speed up their seed multiplication on new varieties and bought the seed produced back north again.

Unlike Aus (which seems capable of being almost self sufficient) so much more "primary produce" of one sort or another is imported into Europe that a few bags of seed are a drop in the ocean.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Wow

just Wow . . .