Any Advantages?

[wanton dwarf]

May I commend this thoughtful and insightful article about the decline of Britain as an economic and industrial power. Written way back in 1979 when neither the EU or globalisation were in vogue.

https://www.economist.com/news/1979/06/02/britains-decline-its-causes-and-consequences

I'm talking about my experiences of life.

Not some journalists opinon.

BTW I was 10 in 1979.

 

[Fragonard]

no there decision though is it so tough sh!t not yours either so ditto

Congratulations. That answer took a lot of intelligent thinking.

 

[Honest john]

I am coming round to that view.

Although I have serious doubts about leaving the EU, it was after all, the will of the people tested by a referendum and from people I speak to day in day out I see no change in that basic desire to be free from EU political rule. People don't seem bothered about a bit of economic disruption and see it as a price worth paying for regaining control of our borders and judiciary.

If we can break free to a certain extent from political control without disrupting trade too seriously as promised by Mrs Mays deal, then maybe it really is the best that can made of a difficult situation.

To some extent the die is cast and we are committed.

Time to get on with I reckon.

I to are concurring with you.

I would have liked to go for a no deal & deal on WTO until the EU wanted to sit in nr 10 for a chat.

BUT & it's a big but, the way the Lisbon treaty is constructed a nation can't get deals in place under the two year ART 50. So you are led into a transition period when these things can be put in place.

We are a large economy with a number of large factories that would have huge short term problems with a sudden leave or so called cliff edge.

I really hate to say it but I am thinking Gove & Leadsom are right to stay in cabinet.

I don't see any wrong in staying in a customs union, provideing we can deal with other 3 rd countries. This is the major sticking point in my mind. I just can't see the EU caving on this point without too many consequences.

Mays deal looks the best for Agiculture as well,

Not a fan of May as leader, but we are going to burn a lot of diesel if we turn around now.

 

[renewablejohn]

I to are concurring with you.

I would have liked to go for a no deal & deal on WTO until the EU wanted to sit in nr 10 for a chat.

BUT & it's a big but, the way the Lisbon treaty is constructed a nation can't get deals in place under the two year ART 50. So you are led into a transition period when these things can be put in place.

We are a large economy with a number of large factories that would have huge short term problems with a sudden leave or so called cliff edge.

I really hate to say it but I am thinking Gove & Leadsom are right to stay in cabinet.

I don't see any wrong in staying in a customs union, provideing we can deal with other 3 rd countries. This is the major sticking point in my mind. I just can't see the EU caving on this point without too many consequences.

Mays deal looks the best for Agiculture as well,

Not a fan of May as leader, but we are going to burn a lot of diesel if we turn around now.

Signing upto EFTA on 29th March gives us Free Trade access to loads of countries straight away. Rest of Europe on WTO rules which is minimal tariff differences the only potential difference is customs hold up which they estimate on a Dover crossing to be up from 30 seconds to between 5 and 15 minutes. They did mention Immingham as an alternative which seems an obvious solution as the custom process could be done onboard enroute resulting in no delays.

 

[Hindsight]

The introduction to the BBC European correspondent Katya Adlers blog posted earlier this evening.

EU leaders aren't panicking. They believe either:

1. the divorce deal (officially known as the withdrawal agreement) will pass through the House of Commons
2. the UK will end up opting for a closer relationship with the EU than the one currently envisaged
3. the UK will decide to stay in the EU after all.

Galileo - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46407249

Looks as though this is just the beginning of the shunning and EU first attitude to follow - which really means doff cap and pay over for years or just say no.

 

[Danllan]

There appears to be some ignorance of the fact that the Japanese Government has stated its intention to sign a deal at the first possible opportunity. There will be a queue.

 

[Exfarmer]

Signing upto EFTA on 29th March gives us Free Trade access to loads of countries straight away. Rest of Europe on WTO rules which is minimal tariff differences the only potential difference is customs hold up which they estimate on a Dover crossing to be up from 30 seconds to between 5 and 15 minutes. They did mention Immingham as an alternative which seems an obvious solution as the custom process could be done onboard enroute resulting in no delays.

You say average wait at customs should be 5 - 15 minutes. However at thr moment many European countries believe with good reason that the UK has for some years been an easy import point for countries such as China, to export goods into the EU without paying the full tarriff. This particularly applies to clothing, where declarred value of container loads has been ludicrously low.
At the moment if our customs have accepted these values the goods can transit on to European destinations, with no further duty to pay and customs officers have no rights to stop them.
It is highly likely that in future French customs will insist on checking many loads arriving from the UK to check that the manifest is correct. This is not easy in a container as we are very well aware with the ease in which criminals export large numbers of cars , tractors, diggers, and farm machinery to Eastern Europe and beyond with ease.
If The French government does not massively increase its number of officers the waiting times at ports could increase dramatically and the UK will be able to do nothing about it.
This is before the very regular strikes that we are all so aware of that the French have

 

[will l]

You say average wait at customs should be 5 - 15 minutes. However at thr moment many European countries believe with good reason that the UK has for some years been an easy import point for countries such as China, to export goods into the EU without paying the full tarriff. This particularly applies to clothing, where declarred value of container loads has been ludicrously low.
At the moment if our customs have accepted these values the goods can transit on to European destinations, with no further duty to pay and customs officers have no rights to stop them.
It is highly likely that in future French customs will insist on checking many loads arriving from the UK to check that the manifest is correct. This is not easy in a container as we are very well aware with the ease in which criminals export large numbers of cars , tractors, diggers, and farm machinery to Eastern Europe and beyond with ease.
If The French government does not massively increase its number of officers the waiting times at ports could increase dramatically and the UK will be able to do nothing about it.
This is before the very regular strikes that we are all so aware of that the French have

There was very good article in the french press saying exactly this and that only a small percentage of lorries and goods are french, It suggested that staff increases are possible but it would need to funded by EU or Britian,

 

[renewablejohn]

You say average wait at customs should be 5 - 15 minutes. However at thr moment many European countries believe with good reason that the UK has for some years been an easy import point for countries such as China, to export goods into the EU without paying the full tarriff. This particularly applies to clothing, where declarred value of container loads has been ludicrously low.
At the moment if our customs have accepted these values the goods can transit on to European destinations, with no further duty to pay and customs officers have no rights to stop them.
It is highly likely that in future French customs will insist on checking many loads arriving from the UK to check that the manifest is correct. This is not easy in a container as we are very well aware with the ease in which criminals export large numbers of cars , tractors, diggers, and farm machinery to Eastern Europe and beyond with ease.
If The French government does not massively increase its number of officers the waiting times at ports could increase dramatically and the UK will be able to do nothing about it.
This is before the very regular strikes that we are all so aware of that the French have

The 5-15 minutes is just repeating what the food and drink people where saying to the parliamentary select committee. Think one of the guys was from the drinks co diegio and another one from nestle and the top guy from the food and drink federation. I appreciate what your saying thats why the UK have some big fines to pay for supposed dumping of chinese goods on european markets. Its also complicated by the Rotterdam effect whereby goods get imported from around the world into Rotterdam and trans-shipped to UK as the original vessel is to large to dock in UK ports.

 

[Muck Spreader]

There was very good article in the french press saying exactly this and that only a small percentage of lorries and goods are french, It suggested that staff increases are possible but it would need to funded by EU or Britian,

The French are already recruiting an additional 700 customs officials to be based at Calais, Dunkirk and Le Harve. They are also installing scanners that freight trains will have to go though coming out of the Channel tunnel. The Dutch have already recruited a 1,000 extra customs officials. The Irish are recruiting 500 extra. The UK hope to have an extra 270 by March 29th.

 

[Exfarmer]

The 5-15 minutes is just repeating what the food and drink people where saying to the parliamentary select committee. Think one of the guys was from the drinks co diegio and another one from nestle and the top guy from the food and drink federation. I appreciate what your saying thats why the UK have some big fines to pay for supposed dumping of chinese goods on european markets. Its also complicated by the Rotterdam effect whereby goods get imported from around the world into Rotterdam and trans-shipped to UK as the original vessel is to large to dock in UK ports.

Their 5 - 15 is import,not export, that will be the killer.

 

[caveman]

Their 5 - 15 is import,not export, that will be the killer.

It's all bollox.
If freight doesn't flow one way, it won't flow the other.
Ferries won't sail empty and I doubt the choochoo's will put up with running half empty for long.
Don't forget.
A lot of the transport will be European operators who want to get back to get another load of slug ridden lettuce to bring and dump here.

 

[Still Farming]

The French are already recruiting an additional 700 customs officials to be based at Calais, Dunkirk and Le Harve. They are also installing scanners that freight trains will have to go though coming out of the Channel tunnel. The Dutch have already recruited a 1,000 extra customs officials. The Irish are recruiting 500 extra. The UK hope to have an extra 270 by March 29th.

To stop all the people they let over here coming back is it???