Anyone at Logie Durno sale?

[Sheepandcalfs]

Did you see any fronteira sold what sort of money?

 

[canam1]

Did you see any fronteira sold what sort of money?

No sorry did not stay that long.

 

[Jim75]

Did you see any fronteira sold what sort of money?

Think most of them sold away. Quite a few bfl x Logie didn’t sell coming through the ring.

 

[Sheepandcalfs]

No worries, do you think the sheep weren’t in as good of shape due to the weather?

 

[Sheepandcalfs]

Think most of them sold away. Quite a few bfl x Logie didn’t sell coming through the ring.

Did you purchase anything?

 

[neilo]

No worries, do you think the sheep weren’t in as good of shape due to the weather?

That’s the problem with rearing rams on forage diets. When you get a Winter/Spring/Summer like we’ve all had, they won’t look as good or forward as they would do in an easier year. Genetics could well be every bit as good or better though.
Of course trough fed rams just get fed the same regardless, so would stand out even more in a difficult year.

 

[Jim75]

Did you purchase anything?

No I was just looking, guys I was with bought a durno beltex and a durno.

 

[Top Tip.]

That’s the problem with rearing rams on forage diets. When you get a Winter/Spring/Summer like we’ve all had, they won’t look as good or forward as they would do in an easier year. Genetics could well be every bit as good or better though.
Of course trough fed rams just get fed the same regardless, so would stand out even more in a difficult year.

I think last winter exposed a lot of weakness in the forage only diets,those who didn’t adapt their systems quickly enough got quite a shock as to how quickly ewes can go downhill.

 

[Dyffryn]

That’s the problem with rearing rams on forage diets. When you get a Winter/Spring/Summer like we’ve all had, they won’t look as good or forward as they would do in an easier year. Genetics could well be every bit as good or better though.
Of course trough fed rams just get fed the same regardless, so would stand out even more in a difficult year.

They have fed there lambs this spring because of the weather.

 

[Top Tip.]

They have fed there lambs this spring because of the weather.

Forage fed is a great idea in theory,but and it is a mighty big but the weather comes along and screws it all up,a winter with 2 foot of snow and minus 10 of frost and you have to find an alternative pretty fast.Then you get the really dry summer when nothing grows. This has all been done before and given up when people found easier alternatives.

 

[Downton_shep]

Forage fed is a great idea in theory,but and it is a mighty big but the weather comes along and screws it all up,a winter with 2 foot of snow and minus 10 of frost and you have to find an alternative pretty fast.Then you get the really dry summer when nothing grows. This has all been done before and given up when people found easier alternatives.

But this is by no means a average year.

 

[Top Tip.]

But this is by no means a average year.

True but with the weather we are getting now it seems to be extremes,last year it was too wet this year too dry ,what is an average year? Neither of them has suited the ‘forage fed system ‘ . Like I said before if you go back 30 plus years most of the low ground ewes would have been folded on turnips,they gave it up for a reason.

 

[andybk]

Forage fed is a great idea in theory,but and it is a mighty big but the weather comes along and screws it all up,a winter with 2 foot of snow and minus 10 of frost and you have to find an alternative pretty fast.Then you get the really dry summer when nothing grows. This has all been done before and given up when people found easier alternatives.

I have to agree with neil on conditions , anyone breeding rams properly should be rearing in a worse environment to the one they are going to be used in , same with recording ,
The problem is buyers expectations on size and shape on point of sale , you only have to watch the feeds of NZ rams going through a ring to see its a british disease , constant circle of feeding hard feed and trimming / colouring the wool .
I have heard all the arguments on sheep looking their best , but really thats BS ,a fit ram with some shape is all thats needed , any decent commercial farmer knows what a shearling ewe will be like for condition and shape / size at a year old , same as lambs , your looking at them every day , then they go buy a huge stuffed ram .and moan when it falls apart
If the logie ones were a bit down on condition i would take that as a positive that they are treated how they should be and have had to deal with some adverse conditions

 

[Top Tip.]

I have to agree with neil on conditions , anyone breeding rams properly should be rearing in a worse environment to the one they are going to be used in , same with recording ,
The problem is buyers expectations on size and shape on point of sale , you only have to watch the feeds of NZ rams going through a ring to see its a british disease , constant circle of feeding hard feed and trimming / colouring the wool .
I have heard all the arguments on sheep looking their best , but really thats BS , any decent commercial farmer knows what a shearling ewe will be like for condition and shape / size , same as lambs , your looking at them every day , then they go buy a huge stuffed ram .
If the logie ones were a bit down on condition i would take that as a positive that they are treated how they should be .

I don’t really think you will find many tup breeders that are putting their rams through the negative experience you are describing.

 

[andybk]

I don’t really think you will find many tup breeders that are putting their rams through the negative experience you are describing.

would have thought the logie and innovis ones would have been fairly commercially reared , same as exlanas , even llyns i have heard dont respond to well to creep , to many clever buggers in all pedigree breeds , just hampers forward progress

 

[neilo]

I don’t really think you will find many tup breeders that are putting their rams through the negative experience you are describing.

My ram lambs (to be sold as shearling) are certainly on poorer grass than my weaned commercial lambs. Very little grass here so got to prioritise.
Apart from my early mob, they are treated just like my commercial lambs early on, and expected to grow on the same grazed ration as them. They certainly don’t get special treatment here, my management’s not good enough for that.

 

[Top Tip.]

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My ram lambs (to be sold as shearling) are certainly on poorer grass than my weaned commercial lambs. Very little grass here so got to prioritise.
Apart from my early mob, they are treated just like my commercial lambs early on, and expected to grow on the same grazed ration as them. They certainly don’t get special treatment here, my management’s not good enough for that.

Are they kept on grass all the way through till you sell them?

 

[neilo]

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Are they kept on grass all the way through till you sell them?

Roots over winter, Like everything else here, then grass from Spring until sold.

 

[Top Tip.]

Roots over winter, Like everything else here, then grass from Spring until sold.

Fair enough you are replacing grains with roots.

 

[neilo]

Fair enough you are replacing grains with roots.

If you say so. I would say the roots are replacing the non-existent grass and any baled forage.