Anyone else having pasturella problems at the moment

[andybk]

lost a good ram lamb friday and a ewe today and have the bottle baby from last year coughing looking rough this morning , fkn weather up and down , ruined this bank holiday

 

[Estate fencing.]

Yeah I am. Just taken 4 lambs (from a bunch of 600) to kennels, they are grazing 90% red clover after coming off bare soil though. So I did expect to loose some. Hell of a lot with snotty noses in the mornings.

 

[Chasingmytail]

First year in a long time zero problems and thats saying something for the last 3 years! Been reg moving them prob understocked. Bolusing seems to be paying off. Havent Hepto anything in years.

 

[andybk]

seriously considering dropping the P vax next year , and go with bravoxin

 

[neilo]

seriously considering dropping the P vax next year , and go with bravoxin

That's what I've done this year, across all the commercial flock. Protecting against clostridial disease is a no-brainer IMO, but I have little faith in the 'P' component in Ovivac/Heptavac any more, especially given the extra cost.

Still using the P on the pedigree sheep, if only so that they or 'on the system' that the majority of buyers will want to keep them on.

 

[andybk]

That's what I've done this year, across all the commercial flock. Protecting against clostridial disease is a no-brainer IMO, but I have little faith in the 'P' component in Ovivac/Heptavac any more, especially given the extra cost.

Still using the P on the pedigree sheep, if only so that they or 'on the system' that the majority of buyers will want to keep them on.

have you seen any more pasturella in the unvaxed ones , loosing that ram lamb hurt a bit . peed off after using the vax . and i can get better cover with bravoxin on the clostridiales at half the price or less

 

[neilo]

have you seen any more pasturella in the unvaxed ones , loosing that ram lamb hurt a bit . peed off after using the vax . and i can get better cover with bravoxin on the clostridiales at half the price or less

Last year I jabbed everything with Ovivac P once, then the replacement ewe lambs had their second dose at weaning. I lost 10 ewe lambs with Pasteurella (confirmed by PM at AHVLA) in one week in the Autumn, and had to go through the group with Depocillin to head it off. I think I lost 2 out of the rest of the lambs, neither of which I would think was Pasteurella.

My vet and I do wonder whether the Iodine deficiency that we've been finding had compromised their immunity, but the fattening lambs had all been treated exactly the same way, other than not having the second jag (so no P cover).

 

[joshp217]

Does this look like pasturella?

 

[yellowbelly]

Does this look like pasturella?

Not to me - see my post in the other thread - https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/healthy-sheep-lungs-or-not.144202/

 

[Yale]

Now don’t take the pee but since the last couple of years every time I’ve got a bunch of lambs in I’ve routinely given them a tonic drench,Wynnstay one being the choice this year however it seems to just give them the background boost they need to fight infection.

Up to now nothing has currently expired unexpectedly.

So maybe it’s feeding the immune system which is important.

No vaccines given to the lambs this year.

 

[hendrebc]

Does this look like pasturella?

Cut a chunk of the lung off. If the lung is pneumonic it will sink. Healthy lung will float sometimes it's just a bit discoloured for some reason after dying but not necessarily pneumonia that caused it.

 

[joshp217]

Cut a chunk of the lung off. If the lung is pneumonic it will sink. Healthy lung will float sometimes it's just a bit discoloured for some reason after dying but not necessarily pneumonia that caused it.

I did do and it sunk.

 

[hendrebc]

I did do and it sunk.

Likely pasteurella then. There is some kind of pasteurella that starts in the lung and then goes into the blood and kills them with septecemia very quickly before the lung is damaged enough to really be enough to kill the lamb. But you can't see it so not everyone knows about it.
Or it could be that there was something else wrong with the lamb as well and it bought on pasteurella from the stress. I had trouble before with pulpy kidney but we couldn't find it because we kept looking at the lungs because there was some mild pasteurella on them much like yours. But it was the pulpy kidney that was killing them we just weren't looking for it. Whether it was the pasteurella or the pulpy kidney that was coming first and causing the other we weren't sure it was a lot chicken and egg. It could be something like that. Hopefully you don't get any more.