Applying Lime

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
They’re not ten times more expensive. They’re about three times as much, but twice as effective (by virtue of being 100% soluble v/v 50% for most ground lime).

And there’s no minimum order either, so actually far cheaper for a 2ac paddock.


Agreed, but that’s not the case for everyone and every situation.
Prilled Lime as the aame NV value as Ground Limstone ,around 50%
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
If you could sow some Nitrogen that lasted for 8 years rather than 2 and was less than one third the price ,

I used to spread a lot of Burnt lime that was very fine , would burn your eyes out if you weren't carfull , ph would rise rapidly, problem was it did not last, in our high rainfall area we had to repeat every 4 years due to leaching , we changed to Cotswold Ground Limstone and the same fields are holding their PH for over 8 years
 
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Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
And what Dr Know forgets to tell you is thay you will be applying a lot more Ultra Fine lime In 2 tons of Ground Limstone that he is applying with his pee bit of bagged lime, so to say bagged lime works faster is a blatant lie , or is the dust I get when spreading Ground lime just low lying Cloud 🤣
 

Bogweevil

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I have a 12.5 acre field that has an average ph5. And a problem with reeds as the field gets very wet.

I have been advised to apply lime to up the ph level and wonder how much per acre.

TIA

Those Hants farmers often take to chalk rustling I am afraid. There are loads of disused pits alongside roads, they find a remote one then sneak in by night and with a suitable machine dig out a few trailer loads.

Alternatively consider Butser quarry near Petersfield. I reckon 20 tonnes per hectare of lump chalk should do your field for 50 years or so though chalk is slow to act initially. However Butser claim their aglime product is the softer chalk fraction so may be a bit quicker. Only 7 tonnes can be added at a time.
 
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deere 6600

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Mixed Farmer
We use both the granular stuff handy when right next to town houses where stoory lime is a no no Any improvement in fertility will help get rid of rushes If you have a local friendly dairy farmer see if you can get some slurry from him
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Sorry I took it when you said twice as well you were including faster
I didn’t write “twice as well” either.
The science ifact states that it's slightly slower acting than good ground Limstone
If you don't agree with anything I say then at least agree with the science
Care to share where that “science” is written down? Sounds like Derrick’s made up bunkum to me.

Lime effectiveness comes from three parts - NV, reactivity and fineness. Only the latter varies as a result of making prills, and for the better (by about a factor of two), the former two being a feature of the chemical make-up of the input materials. Three times the cost (last time I bought), but about twice as effective.

 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
The Science

The slower than expected reaction of pelletized lime is due to two things: 1) the lignosulfonate binding, and 2) the distribution pattern. The lignosulfonate binding must break down by solubilization or microbial action before the lime is released to neutralize the soil acidity, which would delay the speed of reaction. When the pelletized lime is spread, it is distributed on the soil in pellets and results in small concentrated zones (spots) of lime after the binder dissolves. The fine, reactive particles of ag lime, in contrast, are spread as more of a dust so that the lime is better distributed and not in concentrated spots. The bulk spreading method will allow the ag lime to contact a larger amount of the soil
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
The Science

The slower than expected reaction of pelletized lime is due to two things: 1) the lignosulfonate binding, and 2) the distribution pattern. The lignosulfonate binding must break down by solubilization or microbial action before the lime is released to neutralize the soil acidity, which would delay the speed of reaction. When the pelletized lime is spread, it is distributed on the soil in pellets and results in small concentrated zones (spots) of lime after the binder dissolves. The fine, reactive particles of ag lime, in contrast, are spread as more of a dust so that the lime is better distributed and not in concentrated spots. The bulk spreading method will allow the ag lime to contact a larger amount of the soil
Add a reference Derrick. Not that anyone cares if it takes an extra few hours for the initial reaction anyway.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Add a reference Derrick. Not that anyone cares if it takes an extra few hours for the initial reaction anyway.
It takes more than a few hours t9 travel through the soil , take your rose tinted contacts out

Anyway I've said enough, i dont give a jot what anyone useses as long as they don't come on here posting their muck and magic nonsense
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
It takes more than a few hours t9 travel through the soil , take your rose tinted contacts out

Anyway I've said enough, i dont give a jot what anyone useses as long as they don't come on here posting their muck and magic nonsense
Didn’t think you’d come up with one. Can’t see me ever taking “science” advice from someone who can’t work a smartphone either.

Anyway I've said enough
Second time you’ve written that on this thread, so far.


Are you still selling Ag slag? Or Limex? :whistle:
Until he gets a contract to sell prilled…
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Are you still selling Ag slag? Or Limex? :whistle:
I dont sell much lime but I can get anything including prilled
I lot want cheap Screened lime around here that I refuse to sell ,
I could not give you an honest answer about slag , some farmers love it some hate it , the ones that hate it though tend to be those who have never used it

Farmers can come on here and make their own mind up ,
If they think a few 100 kgs of pellets will do more for them than 2 ton of ground limestone that is around 40% dust the same stuff as pellets and the rest slow release Limestone then so be it
 

Jim75

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Easter ross
Got a bit of ground that was improved in the past but reverting to heather slowly, actually quite nice ground that could be worked. Never had much to do with heather or how to get rid of it. Someone I’d be speaking to said give a nice dose of lime? @Macsky
 

Vizslaman

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Location
Hampshire
Those Hants farmers often take to chalk rustling I am afraid. There are loads of disused pits alongside roads, they find a remote one then sneak in by night and with a suitable machine dig out a few trailer loads.

Alternatively consider Butser quarry near Petersfield. I reckon 20 tonnes per hectare of lump chalk should do your field for 50 years or so though chalk is slow to act initially. However Butser claim their aglime product is the softer chalk fraction so may be a bit quicker. Only 7 tonnes can be added at a time.
I will give Butser a call and see what they think.
I tried Somborne but they have not got back to me
 

Vizslaman

Member
Location
Hampshire
Those Hants farmers often take to chalk rustling I am afraid. There are loads of disused pits alongside roads, they find a remote one then sneak in by night and with a suitable machine dig out a few trailer loads.

Alternatively consider Butser quarry near Petersfield. I reckon 20 tonnes per hectare of lump chalk should do your field for 50 years or so though chalk is slow to act initially. However Butser claim their aglime product is the softer chalk fraction so may be a bit quicker. Only 7 tonnes can be added at a time.
Just checked and it appears Buster Lime have sold out the quarry .
 

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