That's a damn sight more than what I was on when I started on YTS back in '86 for £27.00 a week.
Apprentice late again
- Thread starter Headless chicken
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That's a damn sight more than what I was on when I started on YTS back in '86 for £27.00 a week.
Your avatar is quiet disturbing. Haven't you got a nice picture of a cow?
It's more about making a point in that that shouldn't be a factor in why he's taking the pee being late all the time.
It's my reaction to the Dairymen most days.
Best find a new job, it looks painful.
- Location
- Dorset/Wiltshire
I don't always get to work on time but I never leave on time either!
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
£35 in 88 if I remember
- Location
- South wales
@Ducati899 how olds your lad? He's a good un isn't he?
Larel
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You should remember, 2 wrongs don't make a right, just because you turn up late in the morning, you shouldn't compound the error by going home late at night.
I had that excuse once, they didn’t twig on the fact they where slowing the rest of us down who have got out of bed in time.
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- Northern Ireland
Would the apprentice not have been aware of pay rate and start time before he started?
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
I remember being late one morning (nothing new either, and I must have been on the verge of being fired) it was a busy day and I started explaining my excuse, boss said don't worry about it you do twice the work of anyone else
Quite a lot of school leavers nowadays are hopeless and lack any work effic. They don't want to put in any EXTRA effort, instead try and get away with as little as possible. Spend too much time on the phone. Basic maths and English just isn't always there. The Education system is churning out some right tits these days.
Bad parenting is to blame as well. I see parents these days hand out generous pocket money to kids but not asking to do any chores in return , so they basically never know the value of a pound.
I put up with a young lad for far to long who never turned up on time. In the end he left and his replacement is twice the worker. Wish I'd given him the sack sooner. There is still a few good young lads out there but there in decline, I dread to think what sort of state the country will be in 20 years time and I'm not just referring to agriculture.
Bad parenting is to blame as well. I see parents these days hand out generous pocket money to kids but not asking to do any chores in return , so they basically never know the value of a pound.
I put up with a young lad for far to long who never turned up on time. In the end he left and his replacement is twice the worker. Wish I'd given him the sack sooner. There is still a few good young lads out there but there in decline, I dread to think what sort of state the country will be in 20 years time and I'm not just referring to agriculture.
dinderleat
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- Location
- Wells
I guess it's easier being on time if you don't have to drive in (breakdown/traffic etc). 1st job I was at for 4 years and had to drive in every day (5 miles),never late. 2nd job totaled 19 years and lived on site,this is where I was late twice. This job is coming up to 8 years now and the 1st 18 months I was driving in (17 miles, still lived in the tied house (for a rent though) at the job I was made redundant from. He gave up the dairy) and always turned up around 7 am (didn't need to start till 7.30 am).Once in to a tied house here I started at the time I used to leave the old place to get here,6.30 am. I'm salaried so it was of no benefit to me to get here that early. Just gave that extra hour a day to get more done.
Cows split in to 'lows' and 'highs' now so start even earlier 5.45 am.
Cows split in to 'lows' and 'highs' now so start even earlier 5.45 am.
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
Cant cope with people that are always late its rude and disrespectful. In my opinion you need to jump on this fairly hard or he simply wont improve.
Its not like he's doing huge hours, just early (ish) starts.
I think the first official way is to have a meeting with him to clarify his responsibilities, followed up with a letter of expectation.
Next step is a written warning.
Cant blame agriculture for this one, there's plenty of jobs in the big bad world that require early/antisocial start times.
Kid just needs to harden up a bit.
Its not like he's doing huge hours, just early (ish) starts.
I think the first official way is to have a meeting with him to clarify his responsibilities, followed up with a letter of expectation.
Next step is a written warning.
Cant blame agriculture for this one, there's plenty of jobs in the big bad world that require early/antisocial start times.
Kid just needs to harden up a bit.
Headless chicken
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- West Wales
This is a very interesting thread and there are a lot of views and questions to answer to here so after much thought and deliberation I have decided on the following.
A monthly review - something I was planning anyway but have brought forward a bit as need to address a few issues and want it done in the office so when the door closes it's done with.
A formal written warning - this is as much arse covering for me as a kick up the backside for him. If it's written down he knows I'm not joking and he needs to be taking this seriously.
5:30am when your 16 on a moped is early but it's not as early as 4am. If he wants to work in dairy then he needs to get used to it at some point.
I could tolerate the odd 10 mins but what's happening is he is creating his own time to arrive.
He gets paid to either the half hour or the o'clock by our agreement so regularly books 5:30am but even if he is in the office by then he definitely wouldn't be on the yard.
If he got a job stacking shelves they are expected to start at 5am showered and clean shaven so he would be up at 4am to do that.
I make sure he has plenty of time off during they day and actively encourage him to have a sleep.
Starting at 8am is no good to me and I did explain this at the start. On a normal day we aim to be finished with have to do jobs by 8am and regularly won't be going back out until 3pm milking.
He gets paid an apprentice wage of a pitiful £3.50 as set by the college and it's what every apprentice in every industry starts out at. If he performs well and goes above and beyond he will be getting it topped up a bit.
Paying him more is all well and good but he is here to learn a skill. I have no hesitation on sending him on courses or allowing him paid time spent learning with the foot trimmer etc. I will also be sending him to shows open days and the like with his time paid.
Before someone complains I'm
Not paying enough that's why he's late my part time guy is a trained carpenter just hung doors for me in my house at £60 a door. He started as an apprentice at £3.50 an hour.
When i was 12 I went out to find work off my own back. At 14 I was up at 4am on a Saturday to milk cows. 16 I milked 5 morning a week all summer to earn myself some cash. At 17 I would regularly be up at 3am and I would often leave one milking half way through ( big team of us) go to milk somewhere else and be back to finish up. My point is it's perfectly possible but I do accept teenagers are still developing and do require extra sleep hence the reason so cautious with how many hours he does.
He's a good lad with the right intentions but I'm not sure if part of the problem is he wants to play around on machines and we don't do much of that. He has the ability to go a long way in agriculture so I am keen to nurture that. Allowing Him to be late and just not worrying about it isn't going to help when he then can't wake up for the next place.
If his apprenticeship goes well I have every intention of offering a full time job at the end of it with a wage to reflect his new level of experience. Just because he's an apprentice doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like I would treat anyone else that's how you end with a generation that don't want to do silly squat and expect to be paid for the right.
Last but not least he does deserve every chance because atleast he is doing something with his life not just lazing around but he does still have to perform
Edited to add referring to the Shelf stacking. Your expected to arrive 15 minutes before your shift starts to make sure you start work on time.
A monthly review - something I was planning anyway but have brought forward a bit as need to address a few issues and want it done in the office so when the door closes it's done with.
A formal written warning - this is as much arse covering for me as a kick up the backside for him. If it's written down he knows I'm not joking and he needs to be taking this seriously.
5:30am when your 16 on a moped is early but it's not as early as 4am. If he wants to work in dairy then he needs to get used to it at some point.
I could tolerate the odd 10 mins but what's happening is he is creating his own time to arrive.
He gets paid to either the half hour or the o'clock by our agreement so regularly books 5:30am but even if he is in the office by then he definitely wouldn't be on the yard.
If he got a job stacking shelves they are expected to start at 5am showered and clean shaven so he would be up at 4am to do that.
I make sure he has plenty of time off during they day and actively encourage him to have a sleep.
Starting at 8am is no good to me and I did explain this at the start. On a normal day we aim to be finished with have to do jobs by 8am and regularly won't be going back out until 3pm milking.
He gets paid an apprentice wage of a pitiful £3.50 as set by the college and it's what every apprentice in every industry starts out at. If he performs well and goes above and beyond he will be getting it topped up a bit.
Paying him more is all well and good but he is here to learn a skill. I have no hesitation on sending him on courses or allowing him paid time spent learning with the foot trimmer etc. I will also be sending him to shows open days and the like with his time paid.
Before someone complains I'm
Not paying enough that's why he's late my part time guy is a trained carpenter just hung doors for me in my house at £60 a door. He started as an apprentice at £3.50 an hour.
When i was 12 I went out to find work off my own back. At 14 I was up at 4am on a Saturday to milk cows. 16 I milked 5 morning a week all summer to earn myself some cash. At 17 I would regularly be up at 3am and I would often leave one milking half way through ( big team of us) go to milk somewhere else and be back to finish up. My point is it's perfectly possible but I do accept teenagers are still developing and do require extra sleep hence the reason so cautious with how many hours he does.
He's a good lad with the right intentions but I'm not sure if part of the problem is he wants to play around on machines and we don't do much of that. He has the ability to go a long way in agriculture so I am keen to nurture that. Allowing Him to be late and just not worrying about it isn't going to help when he then can't wake up for the next place.
If his apprenticeship goes well I have every intention of offering a full time job at the end of it with a wage to reflect his new level of experience. Just because he's an apprentice doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like I would treat anyone else that's how you end with a generation that don't want to do silly squat and expect to be paid for the right.
Last but not least he does deserve every chance because atleast he is doing something with his life not just lazing around but he does still have to perform
Edited to add referring to the Shelf stacking. Your expected to arrive 15 minutes before your shift starts to make sure you start work on time.
