ARE there any other National Trust tenants out there in the same predicament as we are?

[Bury the Trash]

But they clearly aren’t going to block your ditches or rewild your farm if they are happy for you to practice organic arable which USA rather different proposition to the OP. I can’t understand why the NT don’t protect indigenous endangered populations of family farms as well as the same populations of rare breeds etc.

They dont realise how important the skills they have and what they add in a genuine way to the rural community , unfortunately.

 

[Flat 10]

They dont realise how important the skills they have and what they add in a genuine way to the rural comunity , unfortunately.

I think we should become a racial minority

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

But they clearly aren’t going to block your ditches or rewild your farm if they are happy for you to practice organic arable which USA rather different proposition to the OP. I can’t understand why the NT don’t protect indigenous endangered populations of family farms as well as the same populations of rare breeds etc.

We blocked ditches on river ground as part of a css previously. My personal experiences are that the trust want to sustain the family farm. Perhaps a more sustainable approach will protect the family farm more than the high input high rent dick waving contest that seems to happen up and down the country.

 

[glasshouse]

We blocked ditches on river ground as part of a css previously. My personal experiences are that the trust want to sustain the family farm. Perhaps a more sustainable approach will protect the family farm more than the high input high rent dick waving contest that seems to happen up and down the country.

AHA

 

[glasshouse]

I think we should become a racial minority

No one in uk can claim human rights in regard to land.
Aborigines can, but brits cant

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

AHA

I’m on an FBT

 

[glasshouse]

I’m on an FBT

AHA is the answer, not the question

 

[Bury the Trash]

No one in uk can claim human rights in regard to land.
Aborigines can, but brits cant

Not even commoners?

 

[le bon paysan]

They do have a policy for the land but sadly farming ain't part of it.The policy will affect all the land on this farm. I will not stay here and watch 20+ years of hard work end up as deriliction of the countryside. Think about it.

Farming in the UK is f**ked.
Tenants are f**ked twice over!
Emigrate, while you still have the drive.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Farming in the UK is fudgeed.
Tenants are fudgeed twice over!
Emigrate, while you still have the drive.

Ah yes, escape to the land of no beurocracy

 

[le bon paysan]

The same happened to me, 23 yrs building a home and business just to have it snatched away so the landlord could claim big environment payments and bps
These monies should not be available to landlords who put tenants out

It should be like France, the exploitant draws the sub's, and the sub's are attached to the ground.

 

[le bon paysan]

Ah yes, escape to the land of no beurocracy

There's no more here than in the UK, its just different. Plenty of other countries in the world and if I had to leave here wild horses wouldn't drag me back to blighty.

 

[Daniel Larn]

@Daniel Larn , you see to have a good grasp of where the NT are positioned on this. Why not put yourself forward as an advocate for the tenants here and help construct a response that will achieve benefits for everyone involved.
From this thread alone you could probably co-ordinate a proposal from a fair number of tenants covering a significant acreage.
@blue power seems to be at the end of his tether on this one, there is no doubt that in his heart he wants the best for the farm, its just that there needs to be some good mediation to resolve the issue and go some way to achieving everyone's visions.

I'd be happy to help wherever, If there are a large enough group of farmers in the same boat I'd say we might even get somewhere. There might be better people out there for it than me though.

I dont think so, he is a rewilder
Whats needed is a campaign to force the NT to change the fbt leases to Aha

I'm not necessarily all up for rewilding, I was up for better incomes for farmers, and I had an idea for how I could leverage the NT's environmental agenda to do that. That probably came across in my application and was possibly why I didn't get the job. But that is pure speculation.

 

[glasshouse]

Not even commoners?

Dunno
No commoners in scotland

 

[glasshouse]

A motion to the agm is needed.

NO farmers to be removed from NT farms
Rents to be reduced by 50%
all tenancies to be changed to AHA
Food production to be maintained or increased

the larger membership will support it

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I have to say when I read what Bald Rick had wrote I could hardly believe it, unfortunetley it was very true, this is what wickapedia has to say,
When the subpostmasters sued the Post Office, under Parker's chairmanship, the Post Office refused to admit there were any problems and accused the judge of bias. The founder of Justice for Subpostmasters claimed the Post Office was desperate to defend "a board and executive which seems totally out of control and being allowed to run riot by its sole shareholder, the government."

God help NT tenants you will need it

there have been programmes on radio 4 about it, and a moving interview with an ex postmaster from Ynys Mon, it all sounded terrible the way they were treated. I did not realise that the ex PO head is running the NT now, all that happened with the Post Office sounded like what seems to happen with all big organisations, they have group think, and a culture that we are right and if we are wrong, never admit it but circle the wagons and attack mercilessly those who have disagreed with us.

 

[Henarar]

AHA is the answer, not the question

An FBT can be written more than just one way

 

[Oscar]

Peter Bates mentioned before from TANT lives 200 m from me and is a good guy and works hard . However it was set up for house tenants not farm ones but I must be honest and say I thought it was just on our estate not a national setup !

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Almost makes me think it's her moving locally and allegedly some woman (think ex London) has bought a a farm and rumour has it NOTHING is to be done with it as it's going to be rewilded. Never heard of it before as it's so stupid as no animal will ever want to live in the middle of a wilderness as they much prefer to live on the edge of a wood, hedge etc so have multiple habitats. Wilderness may as well be fecking concrete. Absolutely stupidity ????

rewilding is not abandoning the land, abandoning is just ecological vandalism, after attending the talk about Knebb at Groundswell I think there is a place for some forms of rewilding, but and it's a big but, rewilding is integrating large herbivores such as cattle, horses etc to create a patchwork of open grazing, scrub and woodland. True rewilding can't happen in the UK, because you then need apex predators such as Wolves, Bears and Lynx to control the herbivores so we need people to cull/harvest the herbivores. This abandoning the land and calling it rewilding is urban arrogance.

 

[ajcc]

Any proposed members agm motion that questions policy and treatment of tenants particularly the land management tenants of the NT will likely get big publicity and scrutiny by the press. In particular at this moment in time a public sympathy that puts food security/production somewhat above rewilding experimentation!