Are water drainage solutions hard to come by?

[Farm X]

Shows better than the video you put up.. like it!

Oh yea, that's a good video too!

 

[Lincsman]

Our chain trenchers do at least neatly cut old unknown systems, this would ruin them and you’d never know?

Stone backfill cures that, you dont really want to connect them properly as it lets in silt from the old pipe, unless you know an old system is working fairly well you actually aim to cut the old system at 90 degrees if its possible.

 

[Lincsman]

Based on our experience stone is not always needed it's just more work and pain in the arse, water will still find its way into the drain with or without stone and the trouble is stone does and will block just like a soakaway and you can't clean it once it's underground.

Depends on the soil and cropping to a certain extent, proper tile making clay allows water to perculate at 1mm/ 24 hours, so stone and moling is essential, in recent years its been tried to double the pipe runs without stone for the same cost... it hasnt worked and stone can not be added.

 

[ollie989898]

I am sure I have seen a machine like the one in the video only it had a hopper or something to allow gravel/stone to be put down with the pipe at the same time?

 

[goodevans]

Daisy D used to make something similar years ago I think,

 

[shumungus]

Based on our experience stone is not always needed it's just more work and pain in the arse, water will still find its way into the drain with or without stone and the trouble is stone does and will block just like a soakaway and you can't clean it once it's underground.

No, can't agree with that. It is all dependant on soil type. I see pics on here of people draining 'wet spots' and they don't look that bad compared to some. On sticky soil types and clay stone is very important as a permeable layer for water absorption a V drain 1 metre deep filled to the top with stone regardless whether a pipe is used or not is giving 2m2 of surface draining area per running metre whereas a 4 inch pipe buriesd in the ground can only provide 0.314 m2 of surface draining which is less than a sixth as effective and perforated pipe clogs quicker than stone. Pipe on its own is effective if you are transferring water from point A to point B but not a good absorber on its own. We have tried all systems here for drainage and have had most success with a system that only uses pipe on the 'spine' drains on 'herringbones' and sheughs. The side feeder drains are all done with 2 inch clean stone to the top and no pipe. And for those of you who complain about using stone the last bit we drained before the weather broke needed a 6 inch twinwall drain pulled up the spine of the herringbones and stoned to the top, it took 4 ton per metre for the worst of it, dug till you get a hard bottom, stoned up for pipe fall, pipe put in then stoned to the top. It is drying it though.

 

[shumungus]

And for the men that have land suited to it you don't have to go to America to get equipped. Ring Sean Connery at Biddy very well made stuff, right here in the UK.

Biddy Agricultural Attachments - Agricultural machinery United Kingdom, Northern Ireland, Ireland

biddyattachments.com

 

[Fast Farmer]

Stone backfill cures that, you dont really want to connect them properly as it lets in silt from the old pipe, unless you know an old system is working fairly well you actually aim to cut the old system at 90 degrees if its possible.

I have to disagree if you come across any pipe running into your trench you definatley need to connect it, if your doing a proper job jet or rod that drian to clear any silt, stone filling will in time make it break at the surface, the amount of times we've gone to a farm and found why is there water on the top of field it's 9/10 times no ones joined an old pipe into a new system

 

[Matthew Britton]

This is the machine I use with an old 7250 magnum so 260 Hp

https://www.rabaud.com/en/products/sub-soilers/draining-sub-soiler-.html

Not as clever but does the job. Only difficulty is getting a constant fall on the pipe. I never lay the pipe first time or even second time through only once I have pulled through blind at full depth

Out of curiosity what sort of price is one of those? Also is the pipe dear?

 

[nxy]

Out of curiosity what sort of price is one of those? Also is the pipe dear?

The short answer is no idea.

The long answer is I have had mine for twenty years now. I paid (I think) 32000 francs in 2000 and bought it with a young farmers loan at 2% fixed so only finished paying a few years ago, it was something like 300 euros a year for 15 years with payments only starting after the second full year.

Someone told me recently they had a quote for one but I can't remember exactly it was something like 8K which seemed a lot for a glorified subsoiler I thought.

The last pipe I bought was a few years ago and without looking think it was 80 to 100 euros a 250m roll of 50mm. It was cheapest by the lorry load.

I used to say it cost 300 euros a hectare at 12m spacing. We have a digger as well to do the joins and occasionally trench in a bigger pipe.

But as I say this was all a few years ago!

 

[som farmer]

our ground has drains from the roman era to now, none with stone back fill, the problem is finding them, most will still run, if you can find the problem stopping them, some are 6 ft down, dug in by hand ! There comes a point where it is cheaper and easier to run new plastic pipe, but if you dont connect those old drains in, a wet spot appears. Nor is it wise to 'alter' the flow direction, we joined a new pipe to an old drain, and diverted it into a trench being dug for a water pipe, not a big distance, but have had to alter it back. We have had a comprehensive survey done here, by archaeologists, and i know there is a multi layer of drains underground here, hard experience has taught me to work with them, not against. Some places it's safer to dig a ditch, then you connect with all of them ! Just come in from moving kale fences, several years ago, while looking for a water pipe, came across 2 old stone drains, couldn't see any point of them, right up on the driest ground, today, i see the reason.

 

[Matthew Britton]

The short answer is no idea.

The long answer is I have had mine for twenty years now. I paid (I think) 32000 francs in 2000 and bought it with a young farmers loan at 2% fixed so only finished paying a few years ago, it was something like 300 euros a year for 15 years with payments only starting after the second full year.

Someone told me recently they had a quote for one but I can't remember exactly it was something like 8K which seemed a lot for a glorified subsoiler I thought.

The last pipe I bought was a few years ago and without looking think it was 80 to 100 euros a 250m roll of 50mm. It was cheapest by the lorry load.

I used to say it cost 300 euros a hectare at 12m spacing. We have a digger as well to do the joins and occasionally trench in a bigger pipe.

But as I say this was all a few years ago!

Thank you, that gives me an idea, at least it looks like it would be worth doing and be affordable to buy the machine, even if it is dear for what it is it is still cheaper than our American friend on here quoted further back up the thread!

 

[nxy]

Found another french one while looking around

SOUS-SOLEUSE DRAINEUSE | Sirot constructeur

SOUS-SOLEUSE DRAINEUSE

www.sirot.fr

 

[Farm X]

Hey all,

I wanted to post in this forum again to let you know that Soil-Max is holding a webinar on Tuesday, August 10th at 5:00pm WET. Topics being discussed include drainage planning, installation, pipe selection, cost savings, and more. Drainage specialists from Soil-Max and ADS will also be answering your questions throughout the webinar.

If you're interested, you can sign up at the link below. We'd love to see you all there! If you have any more questions about Soil-Max plows or drainage in general, you can reach me here or email me at [email protected]. Cheers!

Farm Xport Twitter Page

Water Drainage Webinar Sign Up

 

[snipe]

It would be a very interesting webinar for my self and others, but it bang in the middle of our harvest period. I think you may get a lot more people interested if you repeated it in November.

 

[Farm X]

It would be a very interesting webinar for my self and others, but it bang in the middle of our harvest period. I think you may get a lot more people interested if you repeated it in November.

That was most definitely considered but we plan to be in the UK during that time to host plough demonstrations.

We will be recording the webinar so if anyone cannot make it but is interested in a copy, you can either message me on here or send me an email to [email protected].

 

[Farm X]

I'm not sure if anyone is still following this thread. It's been awhile since our UK webinar. However, we did just wrap up our first UK field day. We installed 100mm pipe with a Soil-Max ZD1200 being pulled by a Valtra T 174. Check it out below!