Arla

[jimmer]

Your butterfat sample was probably taken from the tap of the tank,not stirred

99 percent of the time the iffy readings are by one driver, and we are auto sampled
The transport company have said he is a driver that needs 'managing'

 

[coomoo]

Big steps being made, come 31st December 2020 no calves under 8 weeks to be euthanised on Arla farms.

 

[Sparkymark]

Big steps being made, come 31st December 2020 no calves under 8 weeks to be euthanised on Arla farms.

Not sure how this will be policed. How will they know what calves are born and what the knacker man takes?

 

[lazy farmer]

Bcms access

 

[Happy hillbily]

If you have signed up for the golden cent (arlagarden +) they have access to your cts acount, wouldn't take an analist long to work out whats going on.
Not sure how its its going to work here, all calves ar usualy kept to 3-5 weeks old, then a 50 mile round trip to the mart, so am i going to have to keep these calves to 8 weeks old before taking them to mart ?
Great way to lose money.

 

[bar718]

If you have signed up for the golden cent (arlagarden +) they have access to your cts acount, wouldn't take an analist long to work out whats going on.
Not sure how its its going to work here, all calves ar usualy kept to 3-5 weeks old, then a 50 mile round trip to the mart, so am i going to have to keep these calves to 8 weeks old before taking them to mart ?
Great way to lose money.

No you can still take them to market as long as you can get assurances that the calves will not be being bought to go straight to slaughter. Auction marts will soon find ways of accommodating these calves to be able to give the assurances over not slaughtering until after 8 weeks of age so as to maintain the business.

 

[dairyrow]

xbred spring calvers are going to love this

 

[O'Reilly]

How is killing a calf at eight weeks better than at birth? Not judging either way, just wondering. Would be a good discussion for the moral maze on radio four.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

How is killing a calf at eight weeks better than at birth? Not judging either way, just wondering. Would be a good discussion for the moral maze on radio four.

Because it's older than supermarket chickens? They only make it to 5/6 weeks and no one bats an eye lid.

 

[O'Reilly]

I was talking to a Guernsey breeder who, I think I remember, said that they leave bulls entire to about 3 months, then the vet castrates them, and they get a reasonable animal. I would think that if true, this would be something that might work on these kiwi things. There must be a way, and with the calves worth nothing thee must be an opportunity for someone.

 

[dinderleat]

How is killing a calf at eight weeks better than at birth? Not judging either way, just wondering. Would be a good discussion for the moral maze on radio four.

I think its not necessarily to shoot these calves at eight weeks but with the hope that at eight weeks they are a more viable opportunity for someone.

 

[vantage]

Hopefully there will be an improvement in sexed semen conception rates by the cut off date, that will then leave beef calves. The only problem then is TB.

 

[PDB]

Processors will buy bull calves at 8 weeks old rather than 2. Very difficult to balance the ethics vs economics

I personally feel that the improvements in sexed semen will increase the number of beef calves born beyond demand and decrease the value of dairy bulls further

 

[Rossymons]

I'll freely admit that I work for Cogent and have done on other threads so maybe I gave a vested interest but...

I would have no qualms in using 4M on everything. It's doing the business on farm - in fact the farms I'm on now don't have any conventional dairy semen and I might have only used a very small fraction whilst training too.

I can't speak for others though purely because I haven't used them.

 

[happycows]

Ultimately more animals surviving longer is going to mean more and more kg's of beef into market that all ready appears strained and marginally profitable.
Culls, Rose beef and prime cattle of all grades will take a hit unless we can export or stop imports.

 

[O'Reilly]

I'll freely admit that I work for Cogent and have done on other threads so maybe I gave a vested interest but...

I would have no qualms in using 4M on everything. It's doing the business on farm - in fact the farms I'm on now don't have any conventional dairy semen and I might have only used a very small fraction whilst training too.

I can't speak for others though purely because I haven't used them.

Out of interest, are you using much sexed for male beef semen?

 

[Rossymons]

Out of interest, are you using much sexed for male beef semen?

A little, not a lot but it is increasing. Tends to be the farmers that finish their own cattle are paying the extra for sexed male semen.

 

[farmer on a bike]

Ultimately more animals surviving longer is going to mean more and more kg's of beef into market that all ready appears strained and marginally profitable.
Culls, Rose beef and prime cattle of all grades will take a hit unless we can export or stop imports.

We import 30% of our beef, why can we not fill this market?

 

[Rossymons]

If anyone in Cornwall is stuck with calves then PM me

 

[Sparkymark]

Bcms access

Any calves euthanised at birth wouldn’t be registered. So how would they suss you out? For all they know you just use sexed semen.