Attitudes to fox hunting survey

[Paddington]

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[J B]

Surveys are for filling in, not out

B**** americanisation of our language!!

 

[Hopley89]

@zoologist nerd so what was the results from your survey??

also what sort of fox hunting? with dogs or guns?

as for a few shoot permission i have got of farmers from this site and others
is to remove the foxs that's are causing issues for them as a farmer or land owner and there live stock
but hunting with dogs is a different kettle of fish all togeather that is done for sport and entertainment what people pay a lot of money for so i don't agree with that at all

look forward to hearing the results

 

[Deereone]

Well the title was 'Attitudes to fox hunting survey'
... and that's what you got.

Try using punctuation. If, it was attitudes to fox hunting, that you wanted.

 

[borderterribles]

@zoologist nerd so what was the results from your survey??

also what sort of fox hunting? with dogs or guns?

as for a few shoot permission i have got of farmers from this site and others
is to remove the foxs that's are causing issues for them as a farmer or land owner and there live stock
but hunting with dogs is a different kettle of fish all togeather that is done for sport and entertainment what people pay a lot of money for so i don't agree with that at all

look forward to hearing the results

So why do YOU shoot foxes then? @Hopley89

 

[CornishTone]

Done, I only looked because everyone was being rude about the questions, I did not think they were too bad and some were taking a different slant which is quite refreshing.

Same here. The girls a 20 year old under grad ffs, not a PhD student or MORI. Think one or two need to take a chill pill and sweep the chips off their shoulders.

 

[Hopley89]

So why do YOU shoot foxes then? @Hopley89

i shoot what the farmer, land or estate owner askes me to shoot
if it's foxes because they are attacking there live stock so be it
if it's rabbits because they dig up the greens on golf courses so be it
if it's birds because they destroy there crops then that's what i will do

i haven't got a personal reason
unless it's to put food on the table before you ask no i don't eat fox!

 

[kfpben]

@zoologist nerd so what was the results from your survey??

also what sort of fox hunting? with dogs or guns?

as for a few shoot permission i have got of farmers from this site and others
is to remove the foxs that's are causing issues for them as a farmer or land owner and there live stock
but hunting with dogs is a different kettle of fish all togeather that is done for sport and entertainment what people pay a lot of money for so i don't agree with that at all

look forward to hearing the results

Does the money make it wrong? I'm sure the fox doesn't give a stuff whether money has changed hands or not.

The idea that it's wrong because people enjoy it is barmy too- is a pest controller not allowed to enjoy his job?

 

[Brisel]

Same here. The girls a 20 year old under grad ffs, not a PhD student or MORI. Think one or two need to take a chill pill and sweep the chips off their shoulders.

Hunting is always going to be highly contentious - I'm only surprised it's still on it's second forum page! Normally hunting topics are receiving 3 pages of raw emotional posts each day...

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

but hunting with dogs is a different kettle of fish all togeather that is done for sport and entertainment what people pay a lot of money for so i don't agree with that at all

It's wrong because it's expensive? Does that make driven shooting wrong too? Or buying an Arsenal season ticket for that matter?

What you describe as 'a lot of money' may be found down the back of other people's sofas.

Does the money make it wrong? I'm sure the fox doesn't give a stuff whether money has changed hands or not.

If the fox had a choice I'm sure he would rather take his chance against hounds than be sniped by a rifle with a NV scope.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Normally hunting topics are receiving 3 pages of raw emotional posts each day...

It is refreshing to be discussing hunting in terms of sociology and zoology, rather than in terms of fluffy foxes versus Toffs...

 

[JCMaloney]

PhD paper research..... becomes quoted paper ........becomes advisory or code of conduct....... becomes poorly thought out restriction or legislation.

Did I say that on one of the Badger surveys??

 

[Hopley89]

hunting foxs or any animals with a gun is surpose to be a clean kill, myself and hopefully others shouldn't take a shot or hunt something if they can't get a clean kill,
where hunting with dogs they rip the fox to bits and use it as a toy! so the fox doesn't died instantly it surfers!?

if you was lambing and they attacked your lambs wouldn't you want them gone?? or wouldn't it bother you?

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

hunting foxs or any animals with a gun is surpose to be a clean kill, myself and hopefully others shouldn't take a shot or hunt something if they can't get a clean kill,
where hunting with dogs they rip the fox to bits and use it as a toy! so the fox doesn't died instantly it surfers!?

What about foxes wounded by shooting or snaring? How many foxes were wounded by a pack of hounds?

How many foxes have you seen caught by hounds? Just because it ended up in bits it doesn't mean its death involved more suffering than being shot. A pack of hounds catching a fox would kill it in less than 5 seconds. Another 10 seconds later and the fox would be broken up. What happened to the fox once it was dead was completely irrelevant.

if you was lambing and they attacked your lambs wouldn't you want them gone?? or wouldn't it bother you?

It all depends what value you put on the fox. In your case it's obviously none at all.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

PhD paper research..... becomes quoted paper ........

A PhD thesis will only contribute to published research if it survives the scrutiny of peer review.

 

[Dry Rot]

hunting foxs or any animals with a gun is surpose to be a clean kill, myself and hopefully others shouldn't take a shot or hunt something if they can't get a clean kill,
where hunting with dogs they rip the fox to bits and use it as a toy! so the fox doesn't died instantly it surfers!?

if you was lambing and they attacked your lambs wouldn't you want them gone?? or wouldn't it bother you?

Sounds like the voice of inexperience to me.

The public's concept of hunting is a lot of snooty people on horse back, some in red coats, chasing after an equal number of dogs that are apparently out of control with no regard for the property of others. Sometimes that is true.

They have probably never heard of the foot packs of Wales, Cumbrian hills, or Scottish Highlands, let alone the private bobbery packs.

The most efficient -- and humane -- way of controlling foxes that I ever experienced (and I have been around!) was a friend's bobbery pack. He killed foxes professionally and ran a mixed pack of about half a dozen terriers and lurchers. I was bothered by foxes coming from a large patch of gorse next to an old road. We two simply walked casually along the road while the dogs hunted the cover. When we came to the end of the gorse, there were the dogs, hot and panting, with a dead fox between them. That would now be illegal.

Once a dog, or any other predator for that matter, learns to kill, the end is usually very quick for a very good reason. No predator can afford to get injured as that compromises it's ability to hunt and that means death by starvation. Those involved in a serious car crash (and I've done that too) don't experience pain at the time, only later. I can't believe it is any different for a fox killed by a pack of hounds. I've never seen hounds leave an animal wounded so I believe it is the most efficient and humane method of control...and that's after shooting them, snaring them,and digging with terriers when it was all legal.

 

[Hopley89]

Does the money make it wrong? I'm sure the fox doesn't give a stuff whether money has changed hands or not.

The idea that it's wrong because people enjoy it is barmy too- is a pest controller not allowed to enjoy his job?

of course not but it's inhumain

What about foxes wounded by shooting or snaring? How many foxes were wounded by a pack of hounds?

How many foxes have you seen caught by hounds? Just because it ended up in bits it doesn't mean its death involved more suffering than being shot. A pack of hounds catching a fox would kill it in less than 5 seconds. Another 10 seconds later and the fox would be broken up. What happened to the fox once it was dead was completely irrelevant.


like i said a shooter shouldn't take a shot if it isn't a clean and instant kill!!
of course it will suffer more pain than been shot!! a clean kill is done on impacted where a pack of hounds won't kill it as instant..

as a keeper i was paid to keep the numbers up and reduce the numbers on different animals

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

of course not but it's inhumain

i have no idea what it's like on horse back hunting with hounds, never done it or seen it so i wouldn't know,
if i was to have a do it i might like it or i might not!

You've decided hunting is inhumane even though you've never even seen hounds working?

Why not go see your local pack of hounds and see what you think? Your local pack may or may not be foxhounds though. You seem to have an open mind

 

[John]

hunting foxs or any animals with a gun is surpose to be a clean kill, myself and hopefully others shouldn't take a shot or hunt something if they can't get a clean kill,
where hunting with dogs they rip the fox to bits and use it as a toy! so the fox doesn't died instantly it surfers!?

if you was lambing and they attacked your lambs wouldn't you want them gone?? or wouldn't it bother you?[/QUOTE.

Hopley89 you shoot for the same reason I do, we enjoy the hunt (killing stuff) same as fox hunters do. If you kill every thing clean as you say you must be some kind of hero. Working on a farm it's a least pest control and sometimes iam paid to shoot vermin. Iam guessing you doing it for purely fun and enjoyment.
All this crap about all people shooting for pest control is rubbish.

 

[Hopley89]

You've decided hunting is inhumane even though you've never even seen hounds working?

Why not go see your local pack of hounds and see what you think? Your local pack may or may not be foxhounds though. You seem to have an open mind

that's last post was not intended to be sent! it was a typo

i have got a open mind as i can't say killing foxs are cruel as i do the same thing with a rifle not with dogs,
to be honest i'd like to see how it's done