ATV Safety

[Agrivator]

Does anyone have any information about the European ATV Safety Institute - known by the acronym 'EASI'

It is based at Henfield in West Sussex. If necessary, please feel free to PM me.

 

[66Longhorns]

We did our quad training with them in 2022.

 

[66Longhorns]

Just looked it up we went to Golding’s barn. We took our quad and hired their machines for the rest of the team. Instructor did various demos on a track and we had to follow him and copy him. There was a final driving test at the end.

 

[sheep boy 3000]

The course is a joke. After over 30 years experience using quad bikes we decided to try the couses as it was covered with the bike, we might learn something new. After 5-10 mins I told the teenage German boy who was the running the course that day to F off and we left.
It is all wrong, I know where the key goes and learning to use the bike with a tyre pressure out is important as you can get punctures out the hill, not, " dont start the engine till you check the pressures in the hand book".
An advanced course is needed.
I am an expert using quad bikes, had I stayed on the course and over though everything when using the bike im not sure I would still be here today.

 

[feilding]

Usual story with "training courses" the teachers are mostly idiots who believe all the bullsh!t. They are told. All the paperwork and no experience. See it a lot. In my opinion paperwork means nothing. Practical experience and common sense is better. Went to one once, me and half the room full walked out after half a hr. Total rubbish. Never again.

 

[Agrivator]

It seems to be a massive organisation with branches over more than just in the UK. How many staff does it employ if it can offer training courses to anyone who has an ATV or who has recently purchased one.

But is it an organisation whose main aim is to promote the sale of all recommended safety equipment? They keep emphasing:

'Never operate an ATV or ride as a passenger without a quality helmet, eye protection, over the ankle boots, gloves, long trousers, and a long-sleeved shirt or jacket.'

Which means that at leasrt 95% of farmers are continuously disregarding their recommenations. Should we all be locked up or have our bikes confiscated for our own safety?

 

[Hilly]

The course is a joke. After over 30 years experience using quad bikes we decided to try the couses as it was covered with the bike, we might learn something new. After 5-10 mins I told the teenage German boy who was the running the course that day to F off and we left.
It is all wrong, I know where the key goes and learning to use the bike with a tyre pressure out is important as you can get punctures out the hill, not, " dont start the engine till you check the pressures in the hand book".
An advanced course is needed.
I am an expert using quad bikes, had I stayed on the course and over though everything when using the bike im not sure I would still be here today.

I e been using a quad since they were invented and a trike before that and a two wheeler before that , not one accident , 365 days a year for 40 plus years and they want people like me to go on a course they can fuk off .

 

[thesilentone]

I e been using a quad since they were invented and a trike before that and a two wheeler before that , not one accident , 365 days a year for 40 plus years and they want people like me to go on a course they can fuk off .

Heard this so many times over the years. In both agriculture and the construction trade. Skilled operators that could learn the trainers a thing or two rebelling.

But, it's all about liability, insurance and the piece of paper. if nothing ever happens, no worries, But !!!!!

Occasionally, you meet a skilled trainer who has been their and has the scars to prove it, and it becomes a shared knowledge session as well as ticking the training criteria.

All training has a set schedule which every trainee should be given in advance of attending, then at least you can go with your open eyes.

Having provided training over many years, do not under estimate the lack of common sense many have.

"According to the UK Health and Safety Executive (HSE), there are an estimated 6,600 ATVs used on UK farms. On average, two people die and more than 1,000 are injured every year in ATV accidents. Injuries range from mild concussion to devastating brain damage, causing permanent and severe disabilities."

 

[Hilly]

Heard this so many times over the years. In both agriculture and the construction trade. Skilled operators that could learn the trainers a thing or two rebelling.

But, it's all about liability, insurance and the piece of paper. if nothing ever happens, no worries, But !!!!!

Occasionally, you meet a skilled trainer who has been their and has the scars to prove it, and it becomes a shared knowledge session as well as ticking the training criteria.

All training has a set schedule which every trainee should be given in advance of attending, then at least you can go with your open eyes.

Having provided training over many years, do not under estimate the lack of common sense many have.

These things should have grandfather rights , they are just job creation and money making scams anyway .

 

[thesilentone]

These things should have grandfather rights , they are just job creation and money making scams anyway .

I wouldn't call them a scam, as an employer our role is to ensure operators are competent.

However, their is no doubt the training industry has squeezed every drop it can out of elf and safety, and the demands of insurers, quality assurance etc.

But, at the same time you cannot argue with the facts (which I may have added before you replied)

 

[thesilentone]

It appears grandfathering is not the answer:

 

[Johnnyboxer]

In Northern Ireland last week & saw 3 young farm lads (early 20’s) on a Honda Foreman quad
One on seat
Other 2 alongside him & on each rear mudguard
None had helmets
Pulled out in front on me, from a field gateway & onto the main A road for 2 miles and then into another field on opposite side of road
Their antics had DANGER written all over it
No doubt they would benefit from some quad bike training

 

[Hilly]

Courses dont stop
Accidents

 

[AR Enviro]

IIRC there have been 5 deaths this year over here in NI relating to atv/utv accidents and the most recent was a 6 year old killed last weekend which is just awful.

I'm not sure that courses are going to change overall attitudes toward usage - I don't have an opinion if PPE or training would have led to a different outcome in any of this situations as I don't know the details of every accident - I just feel awful for all families involved.

 

[thesilentone]

Courses dont stop
Accidents

Maybe not, but the statistics show they are considerably reduced.

As you probably know, Agriculture is notoriously bad per 000 employee's, most of this can be blamed on attitude to safety.

 

[Hilly]

Maybe not, but the statistics show they are considerably reduced.

As you probably know, Agriculture is notoriously bad per 000 employee's, most of this can be blamed on attitude to safety.

I take saftey seriously its called common-sense i dont need a course for that , i have been on hse safety course before they are a bit for children imo ..

 

[thesilentone]

I take saftey seriously its called common-sense i dont need a course for that , i have been on hse safety course before they are a bit for children imo ..

I'll take your word for it..

Your attitude still does not change the facts:

Injured by an animal was the most common cause of fatal injury in agriculture.​

Figures published in the Health and Safety Executive's report 'Fatal injuries in agriculture, forestry and fishing in Great Britain 2022/23' show 27 people were killed as a result of farming and other agriculture-related activities during the year.

Being injured by an animal (cattle) caused most deaths.

Agriculture has the worst rate of worker fatal injury (per 100,000 workers) of all the main industry sectors, with the annual average injury rate over the last five years around 21 times as high as the all-industry rate.

Older workers (45+) account for 80% of all work-related fatalities in agriculture over the last 5 years.

The youngest person killed was a farmer’s 3-year-old child

 

[Agrivator]

I'll take your word for it..

Your attitude still does not change the facts:

Injured by an animal was the most common cause of fatal injury in agriculture.​

Figures published in the Health and Safety Executive's report 'Fatal injuries in agriculture, forestry and fishing in Great Britain 2022/23' show 27 people were killed as a result of farming and other agriculture-related activities during the year.

Being injured by an animal (cattle) caused most deaths.

Agriculture has the worst rate of worker fatal injury (per 100,000 workers) of all the main industry sectors, with the annual average injury rate over the last five years around 21 times as high as the all-industry rate.

Older workers (45+) account for 80% of all work-related fatalities in agriculture over the last 5 years.

The youngest person killed was a farmer’s 3-year-old child

I'm surprised that there are not many more accidents and tragedies on farms. One minute I might be up on a shed roof, nailing down a loose sheet, the next minute I might be tagging a week-old lively calf with a concerned mother about to attack (the calf's mother I mean, not mine), and then I might be riding a quad across hill ground to check on livestock. And that's just before breakfast.

We all sympathise with the whole family when any farm has an accident, but I personally also sympathise with them knowing that they then have to face the wrath of the H&S inspector.

 

[Nithsdale]

In Northern Ireland last week & saw 3 young farm lads (early 20’s) on a Honda Foreman quad
One on seat
Other 2 alongside him & on each rear mudguard
None had helmets
Pulled out in front on me, from a field gateway & onto the main A road for 2 miles and then into another field on opposite side of road
Their antics had DANGER written all over it
No doubt they would benefit from some quad bike training

That's illegal as it is.

There's also warning stickers on bikes saying no passengers, nobody under 16, don't use alcohol or drugs, don't overload - front and rear racks have the weight limits on them etc etc


Training won't stop what you saw. Those boys know they're in the wrong "but it'll be grand" and nobody in hi-vis 'teaching' them for a morning will change them.

 

[neilo]

These things should have grandfather rights , they are just job creation and money making scams anyway .

After HSE blitzed our area a couple of years ago, I had to go and do courses in ATV use and telehandlers. Both courses were full of people who had received the same visit, all had been using those machines for many years and all were self-employed farmers who employed nobody else.

Kerching!