Australia Free Trade Deal?

[Humble Village Farmer]

What are you all worried about if your so efficient, green (red) and highest standards (oh please give me a break). Welcome to the world of international trade .....theres always winners and losers....And get used to it, your just a very minor piece on the board in your Governments dealings.
If your so efficient, you shouldn't have a worry against product with added shipping costs should you.....
Every food known to man is available in most supermarkets here. And that's how it is. Bugger all tarrifs on anything and yet we survive (and seemingly are a threat to those of you with your heads up your arses).

Does this count as civilised debate in Australia?

 

[Muck Spreader]

And the yanks will want the same terms of tariff free access!

And all the rest Liz is busy trying to do doing her idiot trade deals with. She doesn't seem to have grasped that the deal should be mutually beneficial to both sides but particularly her own. It actually looks like her deal with Oz is going to be worse than just leaving things as they are.

 

[flyonthewall]

When analysed logically how many more industries are this government content on throwing under the bus? They’re not even concerned with their own Tory heartlands, fishing and farming are collateral damage, but look at the damage to financial services and the city who pay considerable taxes. The Australian’s, who I have the deepest respect for, are quite right to approach this as what have you got to be worried about with free markets, get efficient etc. What you need to remember is that even the most forward thinking dairy farmers who have followed this model in the last 20 years are financially no better off because milk prices have not risen with inflation, some have managed to survive whilst putting a quality product into the bellies of the consumer with higher and higher standards. Government are pushing harder towards environmentally sensitive farming which whilst I support is more inefficient yet expect on the same dipole to produce cheaper food. What is their ideology?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

When analysed logically how many more industries are this government content on throwing under the bus? They’re not even concerned with their own Tory heartlands, fishing and farming are collateral damage, but look at the damage to financial services and the city who pay considerable taxes. The Australian’s, who I have the deepest respect for, are quite right to approach this as what have you got to be worried about with free markets, get efficient etc. What you need to remember is that even the most forward thinking dairy farmers who have followed this model in the last 20 years are financially no better off because milk prices have not risen with inflation, some have managed to survive whilst putting a quality product into the bellies of the consumer with higher and higher standards. Government are pushing harder towards environmentally sensitive farming which whilst I support is more inefficient yet expect on the same dipole to produce cheaper food. What is their ideology?

I think, the focus is on the continued availablity of cheap food.

In some ways that will be easier to deliver via imports if they want to concentrate on the environmental side of things.

There's not so many farmers' votes are there? But I wonder how many jobs will go in our beloved supply industry if we all stopped farming because there was no foreseeable future in it.

Reminds me of Gordy selling all the gold at the "Brown Bottom". Might have seemed like a good Idea at the time but over the long term, not such a good investment strategy.

Whatever happens, we'll adapt or get out I suppose... Hang on we've got red tractor as an answer to all our prayers! Fear not, the future is bright!

 

[bigw]

Agriculture is such a small part of GDP why would the UK government be bothered, pay us all to retire and leave it to nature!!

 

[Ashtree]

Desperate to get a deal. Literally begging at the door of a former colony. Isn‘t karma an absolute bitch.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-b1850570.html

 

[hally]

Agriculture is such a small part of GDP why would the UK government be bothered, pay us all to retire and leave it to nature!!

They always say that but if this industry goes down, the panic buying we saw for bog roll will be nothing compared with shortages of food.

 

[Cowabunga]

When analysed logically how many more industries are this government content on throwing under the bus? They’re not even concerned with their own Tory heartlands, fishing and farming are collateral damage, but look at the damage to financial services and the city who pay considerable taxes. The Australian’s, who I have the deepest respect for, are quite right to approach this as what have you got to be worried about with free markets, get efficient etc. What you need to remember is that even the most forward thinking dairy farmers who have followed this model in the last 20 years are financially no better off because milk prices have not risen with inflation, some have managed to survive whilst putting a quality product into the bellies of the consumer with higher and higher standards. Government are pushing harder towards environmentally sensitive farming which whilst I support is more inefficient yet expect on the same dipole to produce cheaper food. What is their ideology?

I've started another topic with a logical and critical video commentary about all this. You are quite correct in that they expect us to produce less efficiently at higher cost yet compete with all and sundry that have no such restrictions but have massive economies of scale and lower costs overall.
Basically the Tories are throwing UK agriculture, like fisheries, under a bus. Never mind though, the fish are apparently happy to be swimming in British waters.

For future reference, here is a link to the topic that contains the video

 

[bigw]

They always say that but if this industry goes down, the panic buying we saw for bog roll will be nothing compared with shortages of food.

I agree but i dont think our politicians care, they can tick loads of boxes by offshoring our carbon emmissions.

 

[hally]

I agree but i dont think our politicians care, they can tick loads of boxes by offshoring our carbon emmissions.

We had our farm assurance today ( Groundhog Day going over the same sh*te every time) and have a zoom meeting speed awareness course tonight. So am coming to the opinion that this country is full of jobsworths who just want to inspect/train/ penalise the increasingly fewer people who actually do/create anything and it’s starting to p**s me off. No major economy was ever built by clipboard warriors.
The farm assurance guy said there is an increasingly stringent set of demands coming in November........will these idiots ever learn.

 

[Hilly]

We had our farm assurance today ( Groundhog Day going over the same sh*te every time) and have a zoom meeting speed awareness course tonight. So am coming to the opinion that this country is full of jobsworths who just want to inspect/train/ penalise the increasingly fewer people who actually do/create anything and it’s starting to p**s me off. No major economy was ever built by clipboard warriors.
The farm assurance guy said there is an increasingly stringent set of demands coming in November........will these idiots ever learn.

Just said that to someone today , U.K. intent on wrecking anything that creates but then create non jobs to create jobs , it’s mad !

 

[Top Tip.]

Agriculture is such a small part of GDP why would the UK government be bothered, pay us all to retire and leave it to nature!!

Agriculture on its own might be ,but once you take in all the ancillary and processing industries connected with agriculture it becomes a different story especially in Scotland and probably in Wales too.

 

[Hilly]

The weather is a more threat than politics at the moment.

 

[Werzle]

Massive beef farmer in OZ quoted in the guardian as saying uk beef farmers will not compete on price and he hope's exports jump ten fold with a free trade deal which liz truss hopes will be completed in june. It will cause carnage "IF" it happens and "IF" it causes the collapse of the uk beef price. I can see years where natural disasters in australia (drought) etc or a surge in demand from china mean they have nothing to export and our price rockets and then other years where we will be on £2.50/kg deadweight. Volatile years ahead.

 

[Jimdog1]

The weather is a more threat than politics at the moment.

Weather I can handle. Dick wit politicians not so much.

 

[kiwi pom]

Massive beef farmer in OZ quoted in the guardian as saying uk beef farmers will not compete on price and he hope's exports jump ten fold with a free trade deal which liz truss hopes will be completed in june. It will cause carnage "IF" it happens and "IF" it causes the collapse of the uk beef price. I can see years where natural disasters in australia (drought) etc or a surge in demand from china mean they have nothing to export and our price rockets and then other years where we will be on £2.50/kg deadweight. Volatile years ahead.

I thought Australia had a fairly high production cost?
If there was a deal and Australian Beef replaced Irish as the main import country, would it matter? Or are you thinking it will be responsible for additional imports?

 

[Old apprentice]

They have no clue what jeopardy they boris etc are going to put on uk population by relying on foreign food supplies to take it to its final conclusion the end of the Conservative party even at the moment they think they are top of the world .

 

[Werzle]

I thought Australia had a fairly high production cost?
If there was a deal and Australian Beef replaced Irish as the main import country, would it matter? Or are you thinking it will be responsible for additional imports?

It will ruin the irish beef farmers too from what im reading, any beef farmer eng/welsh/scot or irish who is in an area not favourable for beef production will feel the pain first "IF" it plays out like some predict. All these things are just driving the need to be a mega farmer to mass produce cheap food. Bigger is better if you want to survive by the looks. Once china's got its pig numbers back up it will reduce imports of sheep meat and australia will then knacker the sheep job here too. Boom or Bust years

 

[Cowmansam]

When the ozzies have the huge Asian market pretty much in the doorstep compared to uk I would have thought there would be much more going there way than ours especially as the standards of living for the average person over there is improving and electricity and refrigeration become more widespread in future as I understand it that’s why so much is exported live as there isn’t the chilled supply chain in the same way

 

[Cowmansam]

And trade goes both ways in there poor years I would expect we would be exporting to them