Australia Free Trade Deal?

midlandslad

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Midlands

Weren’t the NFU doing lots of back slapping last year about the development of the Trade and Agriculture Commission?? What a success that has been.

I see the Canadians are seeking similar concessions as the Aus deal appears to offer!
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
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Montgomeryshire
BBC Politics Wales has a Labour MP from Swansea on just now, saying how this deal will ‘decimate Welsh farming’ and ‘pull the rug from under rural communities’.
She seems very passionate in her defence of our industry, until you remember that her party in Wales is trying to do just that already...😡
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Backlined with a pour on for flies. Product like arrest. Gives 6 weeks protection. Just dont rub your face or eyes if you get any on your hands......I can attest to how painful that is...
Not sure what arrest is or if we are allowed to use it over here, we have pour on fly control products for cattle and they all have one thing in common, they don't fecking work
 

willy

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Rutland
The good thing is now is actually a good time to be widening our trading platform. The world is growing more rapidly in these southern hemisphere areas and also global costs are catching up with everyone, China is no longer a cheap alternative for labour etc, shipping costs are rising and so let's get stuck into trade deals and forget old mother Europe as our only cow to milk (or be milked) 😂
 

willy

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Rutland
I feel sorry for the Australian farmers, we can knock out quality meat products in a more beneficial climate, they will be munching on British beef 🤑
 
The good thing is now is actually a good time to be widening our trading platform. The world is growing more rapidly in these southern hemisphere areas and also global costs are catching up with everyone, China is no longer a cheap alternative for labour etc, shipping costs are rising and so let's get stuck into trade deals and forget old mother Europe as our only cow to milk (or be milked) 😂
And, were the UK, which must be one of the pickiest consumer led retail environments in the world, producing a small surplus after 100% feeding the nation then that would make sense. But the UK is in fact far from self sufficient and never likely to be so trying to find the multiple tiny relatively isolated niche markets throughout the rest of the world seems to be another "Jobs for the £75k + marketing boys" industry.
 

mwj

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Illinois USA
Thanks for posting that, the main joy to me of tff is info sharing. Post it on the beef price tracker thread if you would please.
I cant help but think china's ongoing battle with swine flu is a lesson to farmers that animals shouldnt be kept on an industrial scale.
Thanks for posting that, the main joy to me of tff is info sharing. Post it on the beef price tracker thread if you would please.
I cant help but think china's ongoing battle with swine flu is a lesson to farmers that animals shouldnt be kept on an industrial scale.
Foot and mouth hit herds of all sizes. The African swine fever operates the same way. You will have the same amount of dead stock, but some locations will have bigger piles.:(
 

Celt83

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Livestock Farmer
Thanks for posting that, the main joy to me of tff is info sharing. Post it on the beef price tracker thread if you would please.
I cant help but think china's ongoing battle with swine flu is a lesson to farmers that animals shouldnt be kept on an industrial scale.
Probably the most sensible thing posted on this thread Werzle.
 

willy

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Rutland
So all you winging about the costs and hassle of RT inspections and all the other inspections, eid ,passports, etc are talking through your ass, according to this guy there's no cost to it . It's just an excuse.

A free trade agreement will help the cause for nonsense like red tractor to be scrapped. I don't think I have excessively moaned about Rt, obviously it's a ball ache, but not the end of the world
 

le bon paysan

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Limousin, France
A free trade agreement will help the cause for nonsense like red tractor to be scrapped. I don't think I have excessively moaned about Rt, obviously it's a ball ache, but not the end of the world
A general comment, not specifically at you.
I just don't believe western European ag. will see the back of ever greater farm assurance.
Why 5 yearly inspections on a top knotch dairy farm, duplicating each other mostly.
Madness.
 

Werzle

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Midlands
Foot and mouth hit herds of all sizes. The African swine fever operates the same way. You will have the same amount of dead stock, but some locations will have bigger piles.:(
Im not so sure, look at humans and covid . Those of us spread out in the countryside havent spread it half as bad as those living like chickens in a coop in the big cities.
 
Calves are all backlined at same time when tagged during summer. So yeah, looks like our standards are better.... 🤣 🤣 🤣
So, only tagged in the summer?

Most calves here will be tagged at marking time (weaning) otherwise they lose tags from their little soft lugs and need retagged anyway.

The number of matagouri bushes and chain-mesh gates with eid tags is incredible, start a good cheap herd of them but they just don't seem to get fat ever doing them in the autumn means less heat and blood and flies
Tagged before weaning?

GB has to tag a calf and register it within 28 days of birth or no passport - no value - no food chain entry.

A free trade deal should be a given especially with a commonwealth partner. I really can't see any disadvantages.
The scale achieved by some of our Commonwealth partners is the problem, along with the rules / regulations they do not have to comply with.

78,000 head in one Ozzie beef lot.



Thanks for posting that, the main joy to me of tff is info sharing. Post it on the beef price tracker thread if you would please.
I cant help but think china's ongoing battle with swine flu is a lesson to farmers that animals shouldnt be kept on an industrial scale.
See above.
 
Ok. First point. Only backlined for flies during summer (warmer months). Flies are not a problem at the moment as it's to cold for them.

Now on to feedlots. EVERY local shire has rules around the size of a feedlot before it can go ahead / expand exponentially. If its not approved it doesn't happen. Simple. These rules cover welfare standards, environmental standards, noise and odours impacts on neighbors , traffic movements, road conditions etc etc. I can not go out and start a 6000 head feedlot in my back paddock just because I feel like it.
Edit: that's local government rules to. Apply for any major expansion of an existing one and then its state based rules re environmental impact. And at any point if someone objected if it was to impact any sensitive area it can all be over ridden by the federal minister...

To the article. How the hell is a feedlot ANY FRIGGEÑ different to housing cattle or stupid bloody sheep for 9 months of the year?? Seriously?? What's the difference??? Do you open the shed door so they can see a blade of green grass??? That's just whipping up hysteria for the sake of it. Same as saying "cheap meat" ....... Try buying cattle here atm "cheaply". And finish them in a feedlot on a grain ration at over $300/ tonne.

Chicken little stuff. Nothing more.
 
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bobk

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stafford
Ok. First point. Only backlined for flies during summer (warmer months(. Flies are not a problem at the moment as it's to cold for them.

Now on to feedlots. EVERY local shire has rules around the size of a feedlot before it can go ahead / expand exponentially. If hits not approved it doesn't happen. Simple. These rules cover welfare standards, environmental standards, noise and odours impacts on neighbors , traffic movements, road conditions etc etc. I can not go out and start a 6000 head feedlot in my back paddock just because I feel like it.

To the article. How the hell is a feedlot ANY FRIGGEÑ different to housing cattle or stupid bloody sheep for 9 months of the year?? Seriously?? What's the difference??? Do you open the shed door so they can see a blade of green grass??? That's just whipping up hysteria for the sake of it. Same as saying "cheap meat" ....... Try buying cattle here atm "cheaply". And finish them in a feedlot on a grain ration at over $300/ tonne.

Chicken little stuff. Nothing more.
I've watched Aussie gold hunters .... them flies are feekers .
 

Could a ‘Meat Tax’ be on the cards in the UK?

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Written by Richard Halleron from Agriland

The latest machination coming from the so-called ‘opinion formers’, who seem to have the ear of government advisors in London, is the introduction of a ‘Meat Tax’ at consumer level.

This approach, it is argued, would have the combined impact of reducing meat consumption levels (I can really see the health benefits coming through now), while also helping to reduce the overall carbon footprint of production agriculture.

What absolute drivel! In my opinion, none of this makes sense at any level. This is a scurrilous and unfounded attack on livestock farming in this part of the world.

Yet, it has to be taken seriously. I make this point because economists at Rothamsted Research have already crunched the numbers where the introduction of a ‘UK...
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