B& B CATTLE

[SEMI-RETIRED]

I have been approached to winter 42 beef yearlings in a straw yard this winter.
I discussed it with a nutritionist, who suggested a cost of £1.65p/animal/day. I supply grass/maize silage and mixer wagon, my labour and straw for bedding/ straw chopper.
so charge £2.00p/day.
this leaves a margin of .35p/ day x42 cattle = £14.70 /day.
doesn't seem worth the effort, if the figures are correct.

is this right?

 

[Badshot]

If it's correct then you'd have to be mad to do it.
Less than £15 for feeding, bedding, and being stockman.
Machine hours would cost more than that, without your labour.

 

[ffukedfarmer]

Those figures seem on the high side to me, we've just costed out bale silage, straw, labour, water + profit for 40 yearlings at £1.10 per day.

Are your guys animals really going to increase in value by £350 over the winter?

 

[SEMI-RETIRED]

bump

 

[Derrick Hughes]

the straw alone comes to £1 head day, I would so £2 head day to stand still,£2-50 to make a small profite

 

[Northeastfarmer]

bump

You’re semi retired it’ll give you something to do

 

[d williams]

I have been approached to winter 42 beef yearlings in a straw yard this winter.
I discussed it with a nutritionist, who suggested a cost of £1.65p/animal/day. I supply grass/maize silage and mixer wagon, my labour and straw for bedding/ straw chopper.
so charge £2.00p/day.
this leaves a margin of .35p/ day x42 cattle = £14.70 /day.
doesn't seem worth the effort, if the figures are correct.

is this right?

Can't see them eating that much a day nutrition man need a new calculator

 

[dannewhouse]

50p per day in bedding (1 bale 4ft does over 25 cows ie I probably put 6 in per week)
1 bale of chopped dry silage through mixer wagon spread across front per 25 cows (doesn't look much but diet works out enough for dry sucklers and they didn't loose condition last winter and it might have been near per 30 cows
unknown cost as my silage is max 3 year lay but you can get silage as cheap as £10 per bale but is it even worth feeding?

water £ unknown but I cant see it being a lot, there are figures how much a cow drinks per day so could be worked out.

profit/payment for labour and use of shed takes me 1 hour to feed 100 economies of scale?

 

[gone up the hill]

Can't see them eating that much a day nutrition man need a new calculator

With straw for bedding it will easily be that much this year.

Needs to be £2.20 a day in the OP's situation thou he would be better to only feed them grass silage than maize as that is worth a lot less.

( Also unless you are fattening them out the shed then you shouldn't be feeding young cattle maize anyway, they need protein not energy! )

 

[d williams]

With straw for bedding it will easily be that much this year.

Needs to be £2.20 a day in the OP's situation thou he would be better to only feed them grass silage than maize as that is worth a lot less.

( Also unless you are fattening them out the shed then you shouldn't be feeding young cattle maize anyway, they need protein not energy! )

I was quoting his feed cost a day nothing else I know what straw costs and I know what animals that size need as feed and if mine no maize would be going into them

 

[gone up the hill]

I was quoting his feed cost a day nothing else I know what straw costs and I know what animals that size need as feed and if mine no maize would be going into them

I think his costs include straw hence the £2 day charge!

What are your silage costs a day?

 

[d williams]

I think his costs include straw hence the £2 day charge!

What are your silage costs a day?

4p per kilo

 

[gone up the hill]

4p per kilo

How many kilos a day?

 

[d williams]

Depend o their ration and what we are trying to achieve anything between 8 to 15 kgs a day

 

[ffukedfarmer]

Should VAT be charged on providing B&B?

I am supplying straw, silage, housing and labour.

 

[FarmerBruce]

Should VAT be charged on providing B&B?

I am supplying straw, silage, housing and labour.

Yes

 

[kill]

Yes

As you are supplying a service

 

[Werzle]

They probably dont need the maize, because there stores they only want littering twice a week and depending on feed space they could be fed every other day. Nutritionist sounds like my vet, i would be bankrupt before i saw the benefit of there 'ideal world farming advice'.

 

[d williams]

Should VAT be charged on providing B&B?

I am supplying straw, silage, housing and labour.

I was advised not to charge vat as if you wanted to sell the buildings you would have to charge on the sale account advice check out with yours

 

[GTB]

The problem with the OP is that there's only 42 cattle so he's only making £14.70 per day profit. Now if there were 420 cattle he'd be making £147 profit per day for not much more work, just an extra hour or so in the tractor?