ollie989898
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Back in the good old days when even DFF worked. Cripes, must have been great.
Bandur Herbicide
- Thread starter Steevo
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Back in the good old days when even DFF worked. Cripes, must have been great.
Not in bad BG it’s the basic
Bigjon44
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I usually just do lib and picopro.
Not too much of a BG problem down here touch wood, more ryegrass and Brome so would the hurricane bolster it up nicely against ryegrass?
It still works better than lots of things!!
No idea about RG I think defy and axial are useful on it though. Never sure what picolofen brings to the party
ollie989898
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Works well on broad leaved weeds. Not so sure about anything else.
ollie989898
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Widespread resistance in ryegrass to fop, dim and den actives.
alomy75
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Crystal plus dff is still the standard to which new actives are tested. Takes some beating economically
ollie989898
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To be fair, for the non-serious arable situation (i.e. dairy farmer wheat), 3/4 rate crystal is pretty good. I used to use it a lot, that of PicoPro type stuff. Low level spend which leaves some cash in the bank for a spring treatment, if needed.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I regard DFF as almost an adjuvant to help the main product it is with to do the job. On its own DFF isn’t going to do much. Even BLW’s will recover from it. But it is cheap and acts like a catalyst to help achieving the desired longer lasting kill of BG.
For really bad BG I’d also add liquid Avadex. Chances are that this will take care of everything and no further herbicides will be needed at all here.
And that mixture can be used on all wheats and winter barleys.
Atlantis type products aren’t reliable enough to kill enough BG here. And of course cannot be used on barleys.
I switched to both Luximo and Bandur the ring the changes last Autumn. Wish I’d stuck with Crystal DFF on the barley.
Should have seen that it would be a problem when you can only use it a a litre on the barley and not bothered.
Where I have used at 1.4 on wheat, we have had to top up with an Antantis type product, which still hasn’t done the job.
In fact, strongly wondering if to bin them both and go back to Crystal DFF (plus Avadex where necessary) over the bloody lot of it. But will stick with Luximo to keep those changes rung and make them all last longer.
For really bad BG I’d also add liquid Avadex. Chances are that this will take care of everything and no further herbicides will be needed at all here.
And that mixture can be used on all wheats and winter barleys.
Atlantis type products aren’t reliable enough to kill enough BG here. And of course cannot be used on barleys.
I switched to both Luximo and Bandur the ring the changes last Autumn. Wish I’d stuck with Crystal DFF on the barley.
Should have seen that it would be a problem when you can only use it a a litre on the barley and not bothered.
Where I have used at 1.4 on wheat, we have had to top up with an Antantis type product, which still hasn’t done the job.
In fact, strongly wondering if to bin them both and go back to Crystal DFF (plus Avadex where necessary) over the bloody lot of it. But will stick with Luximo to keep those changes rung and make them all last longer.
all this chat is pointless. It entirely depends on the weather and season.
Can drill in September and great control because the weather helps the herbicide, can drill late and get sh!t control because the weather washes the herbicide straight onto the seed. Can drill early and no rain for 6 weeks so herbicide doesn’t work.
Can drill in September and great control because the weather helps the herbicide, can drill late and get sh!t control because the weather washes the herbicide straight onto the seed. Can drill early and no rain for 6 weeks so herbicide doesn’t work.
ollie989898
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What it needs is IPU and CTU to make a come back.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
For some reason the Crystal version has worked better here. However, I don’t understand why when they are in effect the same thing, unless the proportion of each AI are different.
The trouble as we all know is that we think we have found something that is effective and what BG survives it then takes over.
What I do definitely think is that Flufenacet, PDM and DFF mixed is still as good as it gets. Better when the rates of each are correct.
There could be all sorts of reasons why when I used Lib plus PDM that it didn’t work so well that time. IIRC the DFF rate is lower?
But definitely not happy with Bander, especially on Barley, which is far worse that either of the above, probably due to only being able to use 1l/ha, whereas wheat would be 1.4 l/ha. Topping up with more regatta (Flufenacet) post-em had no extra effect whatsoever!
Therefore IMO, getting the ‘Stack’ on PRE-em is far better than post-em. Especially in germinated BG.
If that happens I’m fecked here.
……….Any day now, there will be some swearing when it pokes its head above the crop!
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Ha ha!
Yes, those were the days.
Or even better when our total herbicide usage was just full rate IPU or Dicurane post-em in November and that was it!
Then we started to need to DFF, then the Pre and Post-Kites, then IPU plus Simazine, etc,etc.
The thing is though, they worked!
ollie989898
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Simazine and cyanazine should be brought back, the poor pulse crops are a shadow of their former selves without them.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
You had to be careful not to overlap it when using IPU plus simazine on wheat.
Jo28
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- Location
- East Yorks
Has anybody used both luximo and a crystal/dff/defy mix to compare the two? We went with crystal mix followed by flufenecet top up. Can see there are some big patches to spay off by hand before rogueing. Just wondered if the luximo was better? Know someone who used luximo and had avadex spread on so will be interesting to see how that worked. Never used avadex on this farm before so that might help?
We used avedex for the first time this year, not sure it helped the BG as it was clear at Xmas but lots now, but certainly has seemed to have done a good job on the oats, both wild and tame
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
simazine on wheat?
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Yep. must have been a very low rate.