bending the rules a little with the tractor

[Pennine Ploughing]

I have had someone ask me about this, now Massey Ferguson anorak has seen a 35x, Or so he says ploughing in the vintage class rebadged as a 35, now this man is one of the top men from his area and is good, he even puts a couple of matches on himself for a few locals,
aman new to ploughing had a word with him, the 35x man replied "it don't make the ploughing any better so say nothing to anyone or you need not enter my matches again, the tractor does not help me in anyway"

me being in vintage trailing class I don't know, would it make any difference

 

[Thick Farmer]

Swan Vestas

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

how w

Swan Vestas

lol maybe, but what would the best way to sort it out

 

[Thick Farmer]

how w

lol maybe, but what would the best way to sort it out

What's the difference between them? Can you just peel of the X sticker?

 

[old vin ag]

Could be a benifit in very wet conditions as the 35 X would have diff lock where as the the M F 35 is very unlikely to be fitted with it. Easy -- look for the Pedal and the S/no of tractor then send info to F O F H

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Out of interest, are there any restrictions on for example, tractors fitted with modern Diesel engines compared with an original petrol / TVO. A reliable modern diesel is no comparison to a temperamental original.

 

[John 1594]

What's the difference between them? Can you just peel of the X sticker?

Two differences...one being the difference between a 3.152 engine and an AD3.152.....former being indirect injection, latter being direct injection and a fraction more powerful

Diff lock...yes i can see it may make a difference, but if you ballasted a non diff locked 35 up to its limit, ie 4-5 wheel weights each side, plus water ballast...it would probably out grip the diff locked tractor anyway!

And for the anoraks...i cant see how having a 12 speed multipower gearbox would help either

Bear in mind the amount of ballast Mike Watkins added to his T20 to pull his trailer plough, it probably weighed as much as a fordson N.....

but was much nicer to drive......

 

[Sprayer]

Out of interest, are there any restrictions on for example, tractors fitted with modern Diesel engines compared with an original petrol / TVO. A reliable modern diesel is no comparison to a temperamental original.

The rules simply state for vintage "all models of tractor must have been in production before the 31st of December 1959".

The rules simply state for the classic state "all models of tractor must have been in produced prior to Q cab regulations (approximately 1976))

The MF 35X was produced from 1962, so not eligible for the vintage class.
Oh! I forgot we had a 35 with diff lock.

 

[spin cycle]

blimey this competition ploughing is bear pit....i thought pigeon fanciers were bad but this lot seem worse

 

[multi power]

A 35 X would be no advantage whatsoever over a standard 35 (which was avaliable with a diff lock)
Is a 35 X actually a different model to a standard 35 ? Or just a different version of the same model?

 

[Sprayer]

A 35 X would be no advantage whatsoever over a standard 35 (which was avaliable with a diff lock)
Is a 35 X actually a different model to a standard 35 ? Or just a different version of the same model?

The 35X had slightly more power to compete with the Super Dexta & International B275/414 I think. The PTO power was probably improved through better PTO gear ratios, it's a long time ago to remember.

 

[multi power]

The 35X had slightly more power to compete with the Super Dexta & International B275/414 I think. The PTO power was probably improved through better PTO gear ratios, it's a long time ago to remember.

So are you saying the pto speed is different on a 35 X?

 

[tomlad]

I always thought that the p3 engine started with the 35x .....
I would have thought diff lock was a advantage
Could well be wrong though

 

[multi power]

I always thought that the p3 engine started with the 35x .....
I would have thought diff lock was a advantage
Could well be wrong though

Any 35 can have a diff lock

 

[Sprayer]

So are you saying the pto speed is different on a 35 X?

No pto speed speed relative to engine revs is lower. i.e. 540pto was probably achieved at around 1800 as opposed to 1500 engine revs but that is only a guess, it was a long time ago and 50 years since it concerned me and I had to think about it.

 

[multi power]

No pto speed speed relative to engine revs is lower. i.e. 540pto was probably achieved at around 1800 as opposed to 1500 engine revs but that is only a guess, it was a long time ago and 50 years since it concerned me and I had to think about it.

I will have a look at rev clock on a few 35 and see

 

[Sprayer]

I will have a look at rev clock on a few 35 and see

I'd be interested to know as I remember the 35X was always better than the 3cyl 35 on a Taarup 40inch side mounted forager and the both about the same age, 35 bought in the Autumn 35X bought the following Spring, both had Taarup side mount kits and used at the same time with Weeks poplar 4tonne trailers.

 

[Boohoo]

Having a diff lock is a massive advantage. A fully weighted tractor without a diff lock may out grip an unweighted tractor with diff lock but a heavy tractor can be a disadvantage. A diff lock reduces the chance of the on land wheel slipping which can affect the appearance of the furrows. A heavy tractor can cause furrows to be paired due to the mark left by the on land wheel and can leave a deep wheel mark that spoils the finish

 

[John 1594]

standard 35 with 3.152 engine, rated at around 37hp

35 X with AD3.152 engine, 44hp

thats where you feel a bit of difference possibly

Nothing wrong with the 3.152, it was a good engine in its day, but when they made it direct injection, it just made it better still

 

[Howard150]

standard 35 with 3.152 engine, rated at around 37hp

35 X with AD3.152 engine, 44hp

thats where you feel a bit of difference possibly

Nothing wrong with the 3.152, it was a good engine in its day, but when they made it direct injection, it just made it better still[/QUOTE

The diff lock is a point of conjecture. No one seems to know how many 35's were made with them. There are lots of people ploughing with 35x's who have simply taken the pedal off. There are others ploughing with 4 cylinder 35's who have put 35x rear axles in.

The devil is in the detail though and that is the date of manufacture. The qualifying date is the 31st of December 1959 which predates a 35x