Best tractor from 220hp to 250hp

[Speedstar]

The matter is that they should have made them that way the first time around.... You saying it has to do with emission the engine is not reliable is not an argument in my opinion. All engine makes have to keep up to the same standards so one having trouble makes them less reliable than others who don't have that troubles. But as I stated before there is no superior brand around otherwise the other brands would have vanished by now .

Susi 7 pot motors have a 100% fail rate

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Fendt 724. You should be able to get 40mpg from that easy.

i would like to see that, in fact you would be still wrong at half that figure

 

[djiedjie]

Exactly my point, so they shouldn't have put them on the market that way. What I'm trying to state is that you or anyone else shouldn't bash on a specific brand so much because every brand has its own troubles. I you like fendt better, enjoy that you can afford it! But please don't grap every little opportunity to state your mf's are so very very bad. It is common knowledge around here by now....

 

[Speedstar]

Exactly my point, so they shouldn't have put them on the market that way. What I'm trying to state is that you or anyone else shouldn't bash on a specific brand so much because every brand has its own troubles. I you like fendt better, enjoy that you can afford it! But please don't grap every little opportunity to state your mf's are so very very bad. It is common knowledge around here by now....

I was put the point over MF were and still are better tractors with a Perkins engine in them

 

[sexy lexy]

Susi 7 pot motors have a 100% fail rate

Thats just opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble, lol, far too many Fendts round here get new engines, not heard of any MF's needing a new sisu.

 

[djiedjie]

I was put the point over MF were and still are better tractors with a Perkins engine in them

The tractor as a whole? Or specific the engine? Our Sisu powered MF's haven't had any troubles engine related. The previous Perkins one didn't have major issues either, but sure used a bit of oil once in a while... Sisu's never have to be filled between regular oil changes. On top of that I think the Sisu is more powerful, certainly on low rev's. That the 7 pot Sisu engines haven't been trouble free is something I've heard of but can't comment on from my own experience, since 6pot's is max we use .

 

[Speedstar]

Susi power Mf here have had 5 water pump failure's

 

[Cowabunga]

Thats just opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble, lol, far too many Fendts round here get new engines, not heard of any MF's needing a new sisu.

A local dealer has over 700 Sisu engine'd MF tractors working in his area and only one has ever failed. That was the first one they ever sold back in 2003, a 6485 that had a small crack in the head which let a small amount of coolant into the inlet manifold. It required a new head and piston.

That's an exceptionally low failure rate.

 

[sexy lexy]

Susi power Mf here have had 5 water pump failure's

Thats the water pump though, not made by sisu.

 

[james ds]

Susi power Mf here have had 5 water pump failure's

I've done water pumps at 8-10 k hrs , there not expensive and it's the only time I've put spanners near an engine . The pto power from sisu engines can't be beaten , it takes a lot to pull them down , I've never seen any other engine to compete with them especially when pulling heavy loads on hilly ground . Over the years I do be in the valtra dealers workshop I do see valtras in for service and repairs I've never seen an engine ripped . And as for the deutz engine in the bigger fendts , nearly every one I know over 6000 hrs is on its second engine , I know a contractor with a 936 and an 820 and the two together Had their engines out.

 

[aussie massey]

We run a large fleet of Massey's and from our experience you will get more horse power and torque per litre of fuel burnt from a sisu compared to a perkins. Also less oil used between services as well, not knocking perkins they are well proven but sisu in my opinion have got the edge on them

 

[michael N123]

They all break at some point

 

[Cowabunga]

T3 common rail Perkins are quite thirsty at low and moderate loads and speeds. I think that is a result of its very simple [crude] internal EGR system. At full load it uses more fuel but is more competitive in fuel used per horsepower. In other words it uses more fuel than expected when raking grass at low power at 1500 revs but no more than you'd expect when working hard.

 

[Richard Smyth]

Doesn't matter. For as far as I can see there is no superior engine around. All have their positive en negative sides. All have some troublesome series. But as far as my experience goes Susu/Agco power engines are generally reliable en deliver the promised HP easily. Example a Fendt 720 delivered recently in our neighborhood only came to 185 hp on the shaft. Our 7619's and previous 6485's ( supposed to be around 185 max engine power) give over 190 on the shaft.... Can be the 720 is an odd one but I think the Deutz isn't that superior as some would like to think...

I wouldn’t expect a 200 hp tractor of any brand to much more than 185 at the pto. It’s about right.

 

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Susi power Mf here have had 5 water pump failure's

Funnily I have had to replace the water pump on both Perkins 1004 engined MFs at low hours, I wouldn't see it as a big issue they are not that dear and easy enough to change.

 

[Spud]

3 Sisu engined MF's here and 2 Perkins currently. 6490 & 7495 previously (both sisu) had water pumps, 95 had loose terminal in ecu. 13000hrs between them. Went very very well too.
T2 Perkins 7480 had engine wiring loom, water pump and a set of injectors in 12500hrs. All had exhausts, batteries and an odd alternator and starter between them. No complaints here

 

[startinghandle]

I wouldn’t expect a 200 hp tractor of any brand to much more than 185 at the pto. It’s about right.

does a200hp tractor only lose 15hp ??/

 

[michael N123]

does a200hp tractor only lose 15hp ??/

Be easier if they just rated everything at the shaft

 

[Richard Smyth]

does a200hp tractor only lose 15hp ??/

Most likely more so it’s doing better than it should.

 

[james ds]

Valtra have never over sold the power ratings, if you buy a valtra sold as 100 hp it will do 100 on the pto. I have a valtra T191 doing 215 on the shaft , it was never touched or opened up, a t170 doing 175 hp , I had a 8050 years ago that I bought new as a 110 hp and it had 128 on the pto. As I say most brands over sell their power like NH selling t7200 calling them 200 hp , more like

I wouldn’t expect a 200 hp tractor of any brand to much more than 185 at the pto. It’s about right.