serf
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- warwickshire
That sounds a fair summary about where we're at !
Unless you've got 500 houses going up your not in the running for anything nowdays other than just about holding on to what you've already got ...
Blood on their hands?
- Thread starter Bald Rick
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Unless you've got 500 houses going up your not in the running for anything nowdays other than just about holding on to what you've already got ...
top trumps? really ? bottom line is it you as a farmer have to have enough at the end of year to live off, As myself a
nd some others are saying on here, that is becoming very hard to do , so no wanting to be the hardest done by. Maybe much of the uk AGRI business model is screwed including mine in the world we now live in.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
err, sorry to say, but I think the UK agribusiness model was screwed years ago ( by subsidies & payments & Red Tractor & tradition & EU & Brexit & a belief in “cheap food” & “feeding people” & many other factors ), it’s only now that the chickens are really coming home to roost . . .
- Location
- South Pennines ol14
Just the same as when I was self employed engineering
Ironically I was waiting for on farm bottling outfits to pay
It’s not only farming
i believe you properly right
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
I don’t claim to be right, but as an “outsider” ( TFF is the only yardstick I have now to judge UK Ag ) it is sometimes easier to see things than if you are in the middle of it . . .
As a builder for 15 years of my life ,i know plenty about slow and bad payers
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- NSW, Newstralya
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- South Pennines ol14
They cripple businesses that’s for sure
Spencer
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- Location
- North West
Same here, biggest killer of men under 30
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
In monopoly everybody starts off equally
The Government are totally oblivious to the fact that most farms on marginal land can't compete with cheap imports , their policy is let the imports flood in and let the consumer choose at the point of sale between the two , but the daft b##gers can't see that there won't be a choice after a couple of yrs because even the daftest farmers in this country are going to keep farming at a loss ,
Farmer Roy, thats my point, headline news on tv, "farmers have had a bad harvest " wheat price gone up? your daily bread goes up? But like i said if the price of wheat doubled in price to what the grower/farmer got, the amount of wheat that makes up the total cost of the loaf of bread is so small, its all the other costs? The very sad way i see farming going in the UK is one way? declining, declining in every sector, from as i said, top fruit growers,( apple, pear etc) the nursery/protected salads, pigs, dairy farmers, the cuts in the milk price will bring and end to yet more dairy farms? Its rather insulting to me, that the so called "experts" keep on about, "tightening" your belt? Yet they, and many council/govt, workers, have opened their belts massively recently, im talking about the many now that "work" from home, yes "work" from home? Not only by working from home they are alot better money wise by not having to "comute" but are also far better "time wise" in the fact all those hours a day commuting, say just to london? PLus many now can "race to get their "work" done in a couple of hours? then spend the rest of their "working" day not working?
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Maybe we should all spend less of our working day “working”
we are human beings, not human “workings”
many miss out on this until it’s too late
we are human beings, not human “workings”
many miss out on this until it’s too late
HolzKopf
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- Kent&Snuffit
There's a lot going on in this thread - and i don't think there are any answers anytime soon without a sea-change in the opinion of Government (any Government blue or red) to what we eat, where it comes from, how it appears in our shopping bags, and how our own industry is supported.
And that sea-change should be underpinned by a change in attitude of the public of what to buy, where to buy it from and how to cook it. Prime time tv, morning, noon and night encourages people to 'buy cheap' from supermarkets that through bully-boy tactics, keeps suppliers' incomes so low that no one has much incentive to carry on.
The same tv trumpets that the 'coolest' way to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner is to order junk-food via an app, and delivered stone-cold by a zero hours, bread-line unfortunate on a bicycle or scooter, all with out lifting your a*se cheeks off the sofa on which you and your inclusive family are watching a box set of Planet Packham. In town, people eat lunch at Subway, KFC and McD's. Obesity rules ok.
UK farming has no marketing, no presence in people's minds and no clout. Forget Red Tractor and the other badges that supermarkets use as a tool to peddle their wares. Most have forgotten the link between the countryside and food and we are doing butter-all to get that back. The significant efforts than many smaller farms make to market their excellent meat, veg, milk and cheeses through farm shops or farmers' markets can only make a dent in the problem. In general there is no support and no encouragement from councils or Government. The NFU remains sterile, and 'we' as a community have no way of lobbying en masse. I don't think we have it in our DNA to blockade ports or spray manure around like our Gallic cousins just 20+ miles away from the Kent coast.
Leaving the EU has been a negative. We as an industry (and you can include fishing in that) have seen nothing to hang our hat on, no politician to champion farming, 'food security' or even to showcase what we can successfully export. Who knew that three weeks ago it was 'Back British Farming Day'. Defra is a joke, as is Natural England and the Rural Payments Agency. What public money there is that goes into our industry goes in quietly, almost under the radar as if we as a country are embarrassed by it. Instead, 'levelling-up', Stonewall based divisive 'inclusivity' and the political footballs of HS2 spending, fossil-fuels, housing and crime grab the headlines.
Until, and if ever, joined up government wakes up to support farming and the countryside for all the reasons we know it should, then I'm afraid that farm and stock retirement sales, disillusionment, anxiety and depression and worse, will be an ever present feature of what we get up every morning to try and achieve. Most rural, rural communities support each other as do families, friends and colleagues. We do it because that's what we know and still, that's what we want to do. We should be proud of ourselves.
HK
And that sea-change should be underpinned by a change in attitude of the public of what to buy, where to buy it from and how to cook it. Prime time tv, morning, noon and night encourages people to 'buy cheap' from supermarkets that through bully-boy tactics, keeps suppliers' incomes so low that no one has much incentive to carry on.
The same tv trumpets that the 'coolest' way to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner is to order junk-food via an app, and delivered stone-cold by a zero hours, bread-line unfortunate on a bicycle or scooter, all with out lifting your a*se cheeks off the sofa on which you and your inclusive family are watching a box set of Planet Packham. In town, people eat lunch at Subway, KFC and McD's. Obesity rules ok.
UK farming has no marketing, no presence in people's minds and no clout. Forget Red Tractor and the other badges that supermarkets use as a tool to peddle their wares. Most have forgotten the link between the countryside and food and we are doing butter-all to get that back. The significant efforts than many smaller farms make to market their excellent meat, veg, milk and cheeses through farm shops or farmers' markets can only make a dent in the problem. In general there is no support and no encouragement from councils or Government. The NFU remains sterile, and 'we' as a community have no way of lobbying en masse. I don't think we have it in our DNA to blockade ports or spray manure around like our Gallic cousins just 20+ miles away from the Kent coast.
Leaving the EU has been a negative. We as an industry (and you can include fishing in that) have seen nothing to hang our hat on, no politician to champion farming, 'food security' or even to showcase what we can successfully export. Who knew that three weeks ago it was 'Back British Farming Day'. Defra is a joke, as is Natural England and the Rural Payments Agency. What public money there is that goes into our industry goes in quietly, almost under the radar as if we as a country are embarrassed by it. Instead, 'levelling-up', Stonewall based divisive 'inclusivity' and the political footballs of HS2 spending, fossil-fuels, housing and crime grab the headlines.
Until, and if ever, joined up government wakes up to support farming and the countryside for all the reasons we know it should, then I'm afraid that farm and stock retirement sales, disillusionment, anxiety and depression and worse, will be an ever present feature of what we get up every morning to try and achieve. Most rural, rural communities support each other as do families, friends and colleagues. We do it because that's what we know and still, that's what we want to do. We should be proud of ourselves.
HK
On the plus side (however small it may be) if less of the voting public live in large cities, the city-dweller beliefs will be less able to influence rural policies.
Jasper
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You didn’t pull the trigger because something deep down told you it wasn’t the right thing and you fought it of .In some people all the fight is gone they aren’t cowards or selfish just very ill it’s all so very sadcorrect - you can’t consider anything else
and that is why it is such a selfish, cowardly act
get rotten blind drunk instead & feel guilty & ashamed the next day, a much better wake up call . . .
I’ve had the barrel in my mouth
I’ve had my finger on the trigger
I have thought about it & planned it out to the finest detail, for many years
I understand exactly how low you have to feel - I was there for about 5 years & off & on my whole adult life
still doesn’t mean I think it is the best option.
Unless you are avoiding alzheimers / dementia or terminal illness
It is still my plan to avoid Alzheimers if it gets to that stage ( my father had alzheimers when I was a teen & mum succumbed to dementia eventually, so there is no way I am ending up in a nursing home ), but that is my choice
- Location
- Northumberland
Higher interest rates starting to take effect ?
- Location
- south norfolk
I thought it would but lots of people I know have bought new cars and booking expensive holidays.I can’t say I know anyone who is hard up.my main builder customer has enough work for 18 months and gets new enquiries daily and keeps taking on work.people seem awash with money at least where I live in south norfolk
nick…
I watched the shoppers going into the supermarket yesterday,plenty of new cars and at the tills plenty of booze.There are plenty with money around for one reason or another.
I phoned in to a chat show this morning in answer to someone saying their mortgage had gone up £1000 but they want cheaper food.Banks are making big bucks O/d rates doubled ,Interest rates high ,now water rates up because share holders want profits.The list goes on.
The public see big farm houses,4x4 and rich land owners compared to them,sadly farmers are their worst enemies ,how many times on this forum do you read well I’m ok not affecting me.
sadly another young life lost trying to make a living while some of the young generation and old simply want handouts and expect others to pay.
You are very lucky in life if you have been handed a farm,have no borrowing and a good life,but I guess most of us work our butts off to get anywhere near that life.
We should not look down on those that tried and hit the bottom because for them the only way is up and you may meet them on your way down.
I phoned in to a chat show this morning in answer to someone saying their mortgage had gone up £1000 but they want cheaper food.Banks are making big bucks O/d rates doubled ,Interest rates high ,now water rates up because share holders want profits.The list goes on.
The public see big farm houses,4x4 and rich land owners compared to them,sadly farmers are their worst enemies ,how many times on this forum do you read well I’m ok not affecting me.
sadly another young life lost trying to make a living while some of the young generation and old simply want handouts and expect others to pay.
You are very lucky in life if you have been handed a farm,have no borrowing and a good life,but I guess most of us work our butts off to get anywhere near that life.
We should not look down on those that tried and hit the bottom because for them the only way is up and you may meet them on your way down.