Brexit: So let's have some positives from the Leave lot

[Derrick Hughes]

Then perhaps "farmers" should desist from commenting on immigration, fuel rebates, the future for Free Trade etc etc. I actually don't agree, I am very encouraged by just how much cerebral reasoning and knowledge there is from both camps on here. Long may it continue

I think the good thing that has come out of all this is people are discussing and at the same time learning about politics and issues that effect them, , I never came on the Brexit topic for the first month and now I can't leave it alone, be good if something could be left in a reshaped for lm as I enjoy reading what you all have to say about politics and Europe

 

[matthew]

If we come out now, that's it, FINAL!
If we stay, i.e. don't do anything and wait and see if this shock has had any good effect on the EU, can't we look at it again in a timescale that suits us?
This referendum is our business, not the EU's. We can have as many referendums to leave as we like.
If we left and wanted to rejoin it would then involve the EU.m
Is it a good idea to give it a second chance?

For the length of time the European .Union has existed, it has had the same aims. The problem is that very few realised that when we joined.

So a 'second chance' will change nothing at all. It was always going to be a supranational state, run from Brussels / Strasberg with national governments subsumed.
To do this it needed a common currency, common taxation and common laws, common defence and a strategic support for core businesses for each member. Agriculture was not one of those for the UK and fishing was thrown in to get access by Heath.

The core businesses for us are finance, tourism and services.

In the UK at the moment there appears to be a media blackout on problems in other EU states. Calais? There are riots, but nothing is reported. Spain has a couple of banks in dire trouble. One has folded. Nothing. Germany's Deutzbank is not that healthy. Nothing. Immigrants? Have they stopped? Nope, but we are not being informed. At the moment, anyway.
Parliament is an irrelevant layer in this undemocratic institution.
I'm out.

 

[glasshouse]

the SNP seem to want to belong to the EU they also want out of the UK
you may get what your given

The subsidy mess will be solved by A Leaving eu or B. Scottish independence and consequent land reform either way its win

 

[roscoe erf]

Then perhaps "farmers" should desist from commenting on immigration, fuel rebates, the future for Free Trade etc etc. I actually don't agree, I am very encouraged by just how much cerebral reasoning and knowledge there is from both camps on here. Long may it continue

i don't see why farmers have as much right to talk rubbish as you do

 

[JP1]

i don't see why farmers have as much right to talk rubbish as you do

Another well reasoned post. Sticks and stones.

 

[gone up the hill]

Not exactly.

I'm sure Brits' stoicism will help whichever way the vote goes.

I was hoping for some vision; a pact with BRIC nations or a pact with other free areas like Canada or Australia. A big project to replace HS2. A vision for excellence in bio-medical sciences funded direct by a saving on the EU contribution. Instead we got nothing

One of these days you might actually answer the questions put to you instead of playing the deflection game....

 

[JP1]

One of these days you might actually answer the questions put to you instead of playing the deflection game....

So again - unlike you - I went back to read both posts

There was no question I was asked. My post was my opinion

 

[gone up the hill]

So again - unlike you - I went back to read both posts

There was no question I was asked. My post was my opinion

Yet again deflection......!!!

So I will ask again,

What are your top ten reasons for voting to stay in the EU?

 

[JP1]

Yet again deflection......!!!

So I will ask again,

What are your top ten reasons for voting to stay in the EU?

Are you a child

Go back and read your last two replies to my posts and you will see I wasn't deflecting.

On your most recent post (and now that you make another and unrelated question), I posted this here:

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...rom-the-remainians.125066/page-3#post-2606178

You were even tagged two posts later by another TFFer so you should have seen it

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...rom-the-remainians.125066/page-4#post-2606262



I'm bored with you now and won't be dancing to your tune any more. Mouth, ears , proportion, remember

 

[gone up the hill]

Are you a child

Go back and read your last two replies to my posts and you will see I wasn't deflecting.

On your most recent post (and now that you make another and unrelated question), I posted this here:

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...rom-the-remainians.125066/page-3#post-2606178

You were even tagged two posts later by another TFFer so you should have seen it

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...rom-the-remainians.125066/page-4#post-2606262



I'm bored with you now and won't be dancing to your tune any more. Mouth, ears , proportion, remember

This was the type of reply I expected you to come up with TBH............

 

[JP1]

This was the type of reply I expected you to come up with TBH............

Now who's deflecting

 

[roscoe erf]

so 50%of the french want to leave the e.u according to a eu pole on the news today so we are not alone

 

[Sussex Martin]

If we Brexit WW3 will not start. If we Brexit we will not sink. If we Brexit the pound will not cease to exist. If we Brexit the lights will stay on. If we Brexit Europe will still trade with us. If we Brexit others will follow. If we Brexit the powers that be in Brussels will realise that the gravy train is going to stop and they will have to get off and get a proper job. If we Brexit then maybe the EU will realise that most of it's citizens want a trading block not a super power. If we Brexit the sun will still rise in the East and set in the West.If we Brexit we will still be able to post on here on Friday.
There is IMHO nothing to fear from Brexit.
Remainers seem to be getting desperate now as I haven't heard any good reason for staying just negatives for leaving, says it all really.

 

[RobFZS]

If we Brexit WW3 will not start. If we Brexit we will not sink. If we Brexit the pound will not cease to exist. If we Brexit the lights will stay on. If we Brexit Europe will still trade with us. If we Brexit others will follow. If we Brexit the powers that be in Brussels will realise that the gravy train is going to stop and they will have to get off and get a proper job. If we Brexit then maybe the EU will realise that most of it's citizens want a trading block not a super power. If we Brexit the sun will still rise in the East and set in the West.If we Brexit we will still be able to post on here on Friday.
There is IMHO nothing to fear from Brexit.
Remainers seem to be getting desperate now as I haven't heard any good reason for staying just negatives for leaving, says it all really.

amazing the likeness of some of the threats we have had, as the same threats norway had in 1994 if they did not join up

 

[longlivetheidiots]

England don't become a province of Germany ... Frau Merkel will use England as a dump for all their immigrants .. She let them all into Europe, the ppl of Europe has no vote they only have to accept .. If you against the free import of immigrants into your country they will call you a racist,facist or even worse .. Why!? the ppl of The Netherlands voted against a new treaty with Ukraine and the EU we all voted NO and we are just ignored by our government.. So EU is like North Korea

 

[RobFZS]

Quentin Letts‏@thequentinletts
Further rumours reach me of postal vote early returns. They may explain the recent acceleration in activity by Downing St.

;o

 

[5312]

Sorry, if these have been mentioned before but my positives for Brexit.

Pound will fall, cheaper exports , imports more expensive, better for UK.

House prices will fall, way too high at present and it leaves people with no money to spend on anything else.

Wages should rise due to less competition from migrants from low wage countries.

We will have politicians that we can vote in or out of power instead of unelected commissioners

 

[Old McDonald]

I'm voting out.
I've got three big 8' by 4' 'Leave' signs up in strategic places round the farm, and only voted for UKIP members in any elections for many years.

I stated my case early on in several of these threads, but it seems like the same principle as shouting at the dark hoping it will become light with most people on here.
(Eventually it might dawn on them, but not in time to be useful!)

I'm principally opposed to us being in the EU because I think the UK can govern the UK better than they can in Brussels. I may be accused of harking back to halcyon days that never existed, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
I see lists of things that make us British, the lack of guns, especially policemen; quietly queuing; reservedness; stubborn, resourceful, loyal and willing to fight to the end. I don't want to lose any of that.

I realise it's too late to a certain extent, 'the enemy within' has caused far greater damage to the British way of life than the EU has so far, but this is something that we can do something about. And the EU is only just getting started. It's amused me seeing Old Mac getting frustrated at people's inability to acknowledge his point that the aim of Brussels has been total integration of all European countries from the outset, but that is the blinkered mindset of some. Of course Turkey and others will join us soon, of course we will be pressured into the Euro as soon as circumstances suit us for a week, of course there will be a centralised army, and of course any exemptions our dear prime minister thinks he's got will count for nothing.

The barmy statistics based on totally made up guess work about how our economy will go are annoying from the stay in side, along with all their other predictions of doom. But then I also get disappointed with some of the more outlandishstatements made for getting out. Although I must say that the leading politicians on the outside campaign have conducted themselves with far more dignity, and it's some of the press and online stuff that's frustrating.

So there's my case, @Old McDonald and @Henarar. I'm for out!

I have given up even trying to keep up with posts on this forum. I wonder if some of the folk who post on here so often actually do any work - especially the ones who are meployed by somebody else for a few of their waking hours each day.

I do though make and effor to look for posts by those I "know" from FWi, and I aopoligise for having not seen an early post from you that you are for Leaving too.

Do not expect me to respond much whilst there are so many posts going on. These are long days and I make the most of them. I am not claiming to work 100 hours a week as I did on the Black Isle, but my day is split into 3 sessions of 2 or 3 hours each and I eat and sleep in between times. It suits me, and I want to live a long time, so stress is off the menu. The fact that it is about 35ºC in the shade for most of the day (and I have to work in the sun) is an added incentive not to try to do too much in one go. Sometimes I have to, and last week I had to lead and stack 640 bales using a tractor and link box. I reckon I deserve a few easy days.

 

[bovrill]

I have given up even trying to keep up with posts on this forum. I wonder if some of the folk who post on here so often actually do any work - especially the ones who are meployed by somebody else for a few of their waking hours each day.

I do though make and effor to look for posts by those I "know" from FWi, and I aopoligise for having not seen an early post from you that you are for Leaving too.

Do not expect me to respond much whilst there are so many posts going on. These are long days and I make the most of them. I am not claiming to work 100 hours a week as I did on the Black Isle, but my day is split into 3 sessions of 2 or 3 hours each and I eat and sleep in between times. It suits me, and I want to live a long time, so stress is off the menu. The fact that it is about 35ºC in the shade for most of the day (and I have to work in the sun) is an added incentive not to try to do too much in one go. Sometimes I have to, and last week I had to lead and stack 640 bales using a tractor and link box. I reckon I deserve a few easy days.

I made a point of stating my case once in this collective of Brexit threads, and have since only put the occasional dig at other's silly comments, so I was easily missed!
They talk about bad feelings and ruined relationships between politicians and especially Conservatives, but I think there's been a few rifts created on TFF which will take a while to heal.

I thrive in the heat,and envy you those sort of temperatures, I really must pull my finger out and get back to the tropics at some point.
Don't burn yourself out, you know we all worry when you disappear from forums for extended periods!!

 

[Old McDonald]

Don't burn yourself out, you know we all worry when you disappear from forums for extended periods!!

Thank you. I do appreciate the thoughts of you and the others when that happens. I try to let somebody know if it is a planned break. Computer breakdowns are another matter.

As for burning myself out - not a hope. I sleep 9 to 10 hours a night and another one to one and a half after lunch. I am only 72 so reckon I have quite a few years left yet. I work well under 60 hours a week, many weeks nearer 40 so life is a doddle. I still eat and drink well too.