Business challenges post Brexit.

[caveman]

Thought maybe a new thread, as another lighter hearted one seems to be getting bogged down and off topic.
Thoughts on winners and losers, opportunities, etc.
And let's not just get stuck on UK ag, UK automotive, or The City.

 

[RobFZS]

non tarrif barriers due to retards in westminster not understanding trade

 

[wanton dwarf]

There should be a fair number of opportunities post Brexit.

The EU places substantial tariffs on non EU imports in competition with German industry.

For example communications equipment should become a lot cheaper. Solar power panels should also become cheaper.

I don't have the experience enough to state, nor have I had the time recently, to investigate where we should end up.

But with luck the UK should have be able to reduce it's cost significantly.

Shame the EU Climate Change policy has totally screwed the UK electricity supply costs ... was watching a recent Lords debate on how the current energy market works. Seems as though policy in the UK was driven on the basis fossil fuel prices would continue above £100 a barrel ... the UK now has some of the most expensive electricity in Europe with industry having left to seek lower costs.

Biggest net increase in costs will be Hinckley point with offshore wind turbines coming in a little cheaper.

 

[Walterp]

Although I have followed the debate for over a year, I have seen only one concrete opportunity quoted as being an outcome of Brexit - the hope that UK farmland prices will crash, distressed farmers will be sold out by their banks, and the resultant cheap farms become available for expanding dairy farmers to buy at a knockdown price.

The precise description accorded by Mr Ian Potter (not the only person to have described this, but certainly the most graphic) is that the dairy farmers he knew "were licking their lips" at this prospect.

This should tell most TFF members what the realistic prospects actually are.

If they remain in any doubt, a read of Arthur Street's 'Farmer's Glory', an account of farming in a period of free trade (Imperial Preference), will confirm the deleterious effects. He ended his account with a phrase I have always borne in mind: "One man saved British agriculture - Adolf Hitler".

 

[Jungle Bill]

https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/ga...-langmillstonemarsden-july2017pdf.pdf&site=25 shows what's not being done, so a good place to look for the opportunities

 

[Ashtree]

Many on here foresee huge opportunities for farmers post Brexit . Sensible regulations, market focussed, good British standards, better farm gate prices (cos apparently the British consumer will appreciate British food more than they have heretofore).
Indeed many forsee the EU further tying itself up in more and more regulations with GM bans and glyphosate bans and such stuff, opening ever more opportunity for Britain to forge ahead with increasing production and gaining global market share.
Farmers will be able to farm and produce food unburdened by the dead hand of EU regulations.

Now Mr. Gove (proper Brexiter) is talking about his vision of a "Green Brexit "

Apparently farmers will enter contracts to look after the welfare of even more bunnies than under EU rules!!

Apparently the redoubtable Mr. Gove gets much of his inspiration and energy from the English countryside. It's important he says,that bunny huggers continue to be inspired long into the future.

Regulations are dead, long live the regulations.

 

[JP1]

The greatest challenge currently is uncertainty and business confidence. Not helped by a second General Election in short succession.

 

[rob1]

The greatest challenge currently is uncertainty and business confidence. Not helped by a second General Election in short succession.

When was that announced ?

 

[John Chance]

There are plenty of other industries facing the same problems from the loss of free trade with the EU; just about anyone who exports or imports goods and services. Businesses don't want to shout too loudly at the moment because they think that saying, "We have no idea if we are going to be in business in 18 months time." would unsettle their banks (we're calling in your overdraft), employees (we're going to work for someone else) and customers (we need a long term supply, so we're off).

 

[JP1]

When was that announced ?

It's been. Many investment decisions have been on hold since the first GE in 2015 and anyone outside farming knows it

 

[rob1]

It's been. Many investment decisions have been on hold since the first GE in 2015 and anyone outside farming knows it

If the uk isnt careful it will talk its self into problems that arent there in reality

 

[Hindsight]

I thought the cake man on last nights Any Questions was interesting to listen to. Made sensible comments in a non political way. Much better than the politicians - Thornberry and Villiers who squirmed around inside their political box of answers trying to score points and failing to answer the questions even when asked directly and as ever politely by Edward Stourton.

 

[JP1]

If the uk isnt careful it will talk its self into problems that arent there in reality

TM had some quick talking to do to Nissan already. HMG cannot talk to every business.

 

[Muck Spreader]

TM had some quick talking to do to Nissan already. HMG cannot talk to every business.

IMO every business is expecting to be a special case and needing some sort of deal from HMG. Even if it's only support in developing new export opportunities.

 

[Old McDonald]

https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/ga...-langmillstonemarsden-july2017pdf.pdf&site=25 shows what's not being done, so a good place to look for the opportunities

What a load of rubbish. Yet more Remainers trying to overturn the will of the people.

This quote alone, and very early in an 88 page paper, is enough to knock the report on its head:

 Food labour. The entire UK food system is dependent on migrant labour.

 

[Muck Spreader]

What a load of rubbish. Yet more Remainers trying to overturn the will of the people.

This quote alone, and very early in an 88 page paper, is enough to knock the report on its head:

 Food labour. The entire UK food system is dependent on migrant labour.

Mac you haven't read it have you.? The report is about the challenges and changes will be needed post Brexit and proposals on how they could be implemented whilst not falling into a race to get the cheapest low quality food from anywhere in the world. The whole of the UK can't just sit there and not make any preparations for Brexit for fear of being called a Brexiteer or Remainer and therefor must be biased. Action is needed now.

 

[Old McDonald]

Yes I have.

I presume you have read it in full too. How many times did they say "if the UK leaves the EU"?

Continual knocking of the present government too - it appeared to me purely because they think they are such important people that the government simply must pay them to assist in the deliberations and negotiations of the "possible" Brexit. They said that their views had to be followed by the government. Cannot remember the page now, but they (unelected academics, not even bureaucrats) said that the government had to follow their policies or the UK would be left to sleepwalk into food shortages. Not an exact quote, but that was the gist of it. Left wing academics. I like right wing academics.

Sheer scaremongering such as we saw pre the referendum. The USA does not have lower food safety standards, it has different ones. Why is it dangerous to wash EU certified safe poultry meat in the domestic kitchen? Becasue it is probably contaminated. Have you ever heard of horse being passed as beef in USA? It might have done, but I do not recollect ever having seen anything about it.

The usual restrict meat and dairy production too.

The one good thing I thought was their suggestion that teaching cookery should be re-introduced and children taught about gardening too. A small planter or window box even in a high-rise flat can provide an interest in food production and a few meals. Education is what is needed to overcome food poverty.

I appreciate it is hotter here than in the UK, but in recent weeks our lunches have revolved around coleslawy (a cabbage, an onion and a carrot with a small jar of mayonnaise = very cheap) and/or a pickle of cucumber, onion and vinegar/water. A few coppers for a good supply of vegetables, but only if you have the knowledge that is an extremely cheap and healthy base for any meal.

They made quite a lot of fuss about what they termed baristas. How much is a cup of coffee in these places? They are a completely unnecessary part of life. Never been in one and cannot see that they serve any useful purpose. If you want coffee, boil a kettle and put a teaspoonful of instant in a cup. Simple. Extremely cheap. If you want to pay a few quid for something "better", then fine if you can afford it. If not, do not buy it. Most people have Champagne tastes and Shandy money. Live with it.

 

[Roger Perry]

For any business or country...or person even, to be successful it continually needs to re-invent itself,. Is this happening in Britain today...........does it look like it may happen tomorrow, is there a thirst for a better life.


If as Walter describes in another thread 16% of the adult population is illiterate or incapable of basic maths this is going to take some time to work thru.

Where do you anticipate Britain will be in say..10 years time.

 

[Henarar]

For any business or country...or person even, to be successful it continually needs to re-invent itself,. Is this happening in Britain today...........does it look like it may happen tomorrow, is there a thirst for a better life.


If as Walter describes in another thread 16% of the adult population is illiterate or incapable of basic maths this is going to take some time to work thru.

Where do you anticipate Britain will be in say..10 years time.

be fine once the hangers on have died off

 

[nivilla1982]

Education.