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Ian at Bayer
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Thank you for the kind thought !
ZXR17
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- Location
- South Dorset
For Hybrid barley at a seed rate of 86kg/ha and the cost of the Deter treatment, do you think it would be better to not treat this seed and just target these fields with an insecticide 2 weeks after emergence, given the low rate of Deter / ha ?
Ian at Bayer
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We do know that Deter will still be effective even down to sowing rates as low as 80 kg/ha and Deter will still give protection (at this sowing rate) from BYDV for 6 - 8 weeks after drilling.
- Location
- Gainsborough, Lincolnshire
@Ian at Bayer please pm me your address. 
Ian at Bayer
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Many thanks, have done !
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- Bury St Edmunds
So if I give the forum the benefit of my huge knowledge then do I too get a mug?
1. Don't eat yellow snow
2. Don't poke a Tiger with a sharp stick...
That should be enough ...send me a case of mugs
1. Don't eat yellow snow
2. Don't poke a Tiger with a sharp stick...
That should be enough ...send me a case of mugs
I think Ian deserves a mug because he is here wearing a corporate hat, and therefore choosing to put himself in the firing line of us lot. As I am not a qualified agronomist, I dont give advice here but the benefit of any knowledge gained from farming which y'all can take or leave. Ian doesnt give us the hard sell or anything like that, but is often able to clarify things - the above being an example, and previously with things like tank mixes for Aviator etc.
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- East Essexshire
Were you just listening to John Sargent on Quote Unquote?!
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- Yorks
Thanks @Ian at Bayer for replying. Persistency of deter is longer than I was advised. It seems brave not to put an insecticide on, say beginning of November when drilled end of September. But maybe I should be braver. Don't want to spend and throw insecticides about for no good reason.
ollie989898
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I've done a lot of Deter followed by no insecticide, basically because it is dairy farms and you won't travel in November anyway. Never had an issue.
I prefer Deter dressing rather than the insecticide because it seems pointless driving on a crop to apply £1s worth of insecticide and nothing else, and I feel it is better for the beneficial insects etc to have the seed dressed rather than go blatting pyrethroids around the place across hundreds of acres routinely.
I use Deter routinely now. Protection from the moment it emerges, I don't honestly think it does much for slug grazing mind but there you go.
I'd happily use deter if it was £1 an acre or even 3
ollie989898
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I know, don't get me wrong, but the additional cost is £5 or something an acre, you can't really run a sprayer and apply the chemical for much less than that. I just hate the idea of running a sprayer to do nothing more than a apply a measly amount of insecticide which they are going to get resistant to anyway.
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| thought it was more , haven't used it for a while , redigo deter was 140 ish iirc
SilliamWhale
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Its about £9 acre for just the deter isn't it? I paid £128/t for the stuff. I think its dear
david
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- Location
- County Down
But how dear is Deter if you have a field of wheat or barley full of BYDV, that has shagged the yield.
Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing ? But then nobody is forcing anybody to use it.
Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing ? But then nobody is forcing anybody to use it.
Deter in this area isn't a single solution for crops drilled in September and early October. These crops, even if Deter dressed, will almost always require a follow up spray, sometimes two.
For me the first BYDV application goes on with the herbicide, so no extra pass and not just applying aphicide as @ollie989898 suggests.
2nd application would be needed anyway and I usually apply with Manganese.
For my mind the cost of Deter is too high compared with the cost of an aphicide in my system. Add to that that we usually drill oats and wheat at seed rates below 125kg/ha I have yet to be convinced.
For me the first BYDV application goes on with the herbicide, so no extra pass and not just applying aphicide as @ollie989898 suggests.
2nd application would be needed anyway and I usually apply with Manganese.
For my mind the cost of Deter is too high compared with the cost of an aphicide in my system. Add to that that we usually drill oats and wheat at seed rates below 125kg/ha I have yet to be convinced.