Clarkson again

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I think the point JC is trying to make with his restaurant is.

Government cut subsidies to farming and say to diversify to make up for loss of income. When he applies for a diversification project to sell his and local produce, he is turned down. Often with quite bizarre reasons and limitations.

He is just making an example that the system isn't communicating with itself.

No. He applied for pp for a farm shop to sell his own, and locally produced, produce and was granted it.
He opened the shop and, largely thanks to his Amazon programs, now sells lots of tat that isn’t produced either on-farm or locally. Whilst he is certainly capitalising on the market for such tat, it is very obviously in breach of those original restrictions.

As for the restaurant, he was just winging it on that one, hoping he would get away with it.
 

delilah

Member
Amazon do not pay any tax to this country ,do they?

Amazon pay as little tax as possible just like most companies/, businesses including mine and most on here i would guess

Amazon are great i use them nearly every week , fantastic service . Regarding tax im sure they operate within the law , so any issue take it up with government not them .

How much UK tax Amazon pay, is the minor part of the issue.

have a think about the relationship between the growth of Amazon and why you have to pay so much tax.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Bet you're fun at parties Neilo!!

But he has a point.

The more PP is "stretched" the greater the risk is that they clamp down even harder to the point where it is virtually impossible to obtain permission.

Always amazes me when I go to "farm" shops how little is produced within, say, a 16 mile radius. Oddly, it is often the nobby Estate shops that are the worst offenders
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
Having spent the last 25 years in various disputes with planners I can understand why he gets so angry , but I don’t understand why he hasn’t actually applied for pp for the restaurant as far as I can tell, opened it with no permission at all ?
I must admit, I wondered about that, especially with angel Charlie hovering in the background.
 

Iben

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fife
I must admit, I wondered about that, especially with angel Charlie hovering in the background.

The pp application was to convert the lambing shed next to the shop into a restaurant.

The 'pop up' restaurant was only a temporary thing anyway. Again, it's for the programme showing potential loopholes in planning laws.

I agree, he broke planning restrictions with the stuff he was selling in his shop. But that is what he does. Create issues/controversy and film the reaction.
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
It's just an ego thing. I have an opinion on something, but want you to ask me to share it.
Yes, possibly, i'm just playing along.
It's also possible that like some he doesn't watch because he doesn't like Jeremy's politics,( i know people who don't for this reason) but prefers to hide behind some "amazon is evil" bs.

Can only speculate given his reluctance to speak further.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
But he has a point.

The more PP is "stretched" the greater the risk is that they clamp down even harder to the point where it is virtually impossible to obtain permission.

Exactly this. Developers doing the same is the reason it's so difficult to get pp for a house on a farm now, even if there is a valid justification in most people's eyes.
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
Which explains the increasing tax burden on individuals and UK companies who don't offshore.
Not really.
Multi-national companies move their tax liabilities around because they can.
You can't stop this.
They are obliged to their shareholders to do this.
It's not illegal or immoral.
You can blame the amount of tax you pay on any number of things that suit you.
Everyone i know pays as little tax as possible, why should amazon behave differently?
 

DRC

Member
I suspect @delilah point about Amazon ( which most of us use) is they kill off many small shops and businesses , so when You pop into your local town half the shops are empty or charity shops. So they take money from the country, but avoid paying tax that the country needs, so we all end up paying more tax in other ways. I’d have thought the point was fairly obvious
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
Walk down any modern high street, find out how much tax Amazon pay and listen to how they treat some of their staff.
This distinguishes them from other companies how, exactly?
How do i find out how much tax amazon pay by walking down the high street? Surely the internet will yield better results?
The delivery drivers i chat to are quite happy with their job
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
I suspect @delilah point about Amazon ( which most of us use) is they kill off many small shops and businesses , so when You pop into your local town half the shops are empty or charity shops. So they take money from the country, but avoid paying tax that the country needs, so we all end up paying more tax in other ways. I’d have thought the point was fairly obvious
That's capitalism i'm afraid, what about the tens of thousands of jobs they have created, the businesses whose operations their facilitate?
They're a great and successful company
 

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