Clarkson again

[FonterraFarmer]

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Conspiracy theory, Father Ted isn't a comedy show!!!
If you ignore the catalyst there is a much more sophisticated plot highlighting the blind stupidity of people and how and why people are that way.....


Sometimes TFF posts confirm the reality!!!

 

[Punch]

Anyone who sees having to pay road tax on their tractor as presenting an existential threat to their business needs to give their head a wobble.

Could beat most polluting rate equivalent to lorry etc! How much is road tax on a 6.6lt 6 cylinder now? Soon add to contractors charges if they had to add that on too.

 

[C.J]

Maybe its time for UK agriculture to stop being a bunch of whiney pussy's and coordinate to do something constructive and for UK government to stop interfering as a result of NGO's with agendas or other self interested unrelated organisations.

The problem we have , is that even the BFU believes , a trace gas is responsible for man made climate change.

 

[egbert]

We have done this, but happy to do it again. Scroll down to the bottom of this page:

https://getfairaboutfarming.co.uk/

Insofar as food and farming is concerned, those organisations are the environmental / social justice movement. Sustain, LWA etc. The people you love to hate. 'Strokers' I believe was your eloquent word for them.

Anyone on here who is a BFU member will have received the same newsletter as I did last week, saying that the BFU has joined that coalition. Presumably because the BFU recognises that it is a campaign that goes to the heart of the issues facing their members.

And that's why Clarkson is not just a knob but a dangerous knob. By continually scoring cheap points against the environmental movement, he is feeding the lie that farming would be so much better off if we could only get rid of the lentil knitters, and in so doing allowing everyone to avoid addressing the real issues.

Sorry, i can't open your link without accepting (food importer and French farmer) Watson's cookies...no thanks.

Perhaps you could answer the questions yourself, in plain English.

Who or what is 'the' movement you talk about?
Who exactly decides this? You?
Am I not part of the environmental movement because I'm not a leftie you approve of?

If it's Guy Watson and the LWA you're talking about, I'd deffo sooner have Jezza any day.
(I've nothing against GWs campaign, by the by, but he is about rather more than just that)
I don't 'love to hate' either- they're your words, I simply don't wish to align myself with either...they have differing agendas to my own.
The LWA esp seems to be some kind of leftie movement, yearning for something ethereal that I suspect doesn't, hasn't, and won't ever exist.
I'm an ambitious landowning right wing businessman, who thinks welfare payments should be printed with skin absorbable contraceptive ink, and the right to vote should be restricted to above average IQ voters, with directions to the polling station given as a grid reference, in latin.
How could the LWA and I ever share goals?

Oh, and I don't recall using the term strokers at any point about anyone. I'm sure you can show me where I did.

And seriously, why the fudge do you think 'social justice' is linked to saving the environment?
What exactly is social justice?...come on, sum it up in 2-3 sentences.

It's the Green party's Achilles heel, this diving off into leftie idealism.
It makes them unelectable, which is a great shame......and really dents UK green credentials.

Clarkson presents arguments and opinions I generally share, but rather better than I can.
He's clearly been- for some decades- a very much smarter operator than his projected persona.
I raise my hat to him.

 

[delilah]

Sorry, i can't open your link without accepting (food importer and French farmer) Watson's cookies...no thanks.

Don't be such a wuss, his French cookies wont poison you. Or do you really want me to copy and paste it all ?

 

[delilah]

And seriously, why the fudge do you think 'social justice' is linked to saving the environment?
What exactly is social justice?...come on, sum it up in 2-3 sentences.

I didn't say the two issues were inextricably linked. I referenced the environmental/social justice movement to demonstrate that there is a degree of crossover.

To give one example, we import veg from hundreds of food miles away, because it is cheap, and the reason it is cheap is because it is grown with the use of modern day slavery.

https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/horrific-conditions-workers-supplying-fruit-vegetables

 

[delilah]

As for all the leftie stuff, I have voted Conservative more times than I have voted labour so you can leave me out of that one.

 

[soapsud]

why the fudge do you think 'social justice' is linked to saving the environment?
What exactly is social justice?...come on, sum it up in 2-3 sentences.

I'll have a stab.

SJ is cake-ism for the aspirant and disenfranchised resentful suburbanites. e.g. Labour's commitment to allow all to have access to land whether they understand the countryside code or not:

 

[yoki]

The OP was about his newspaper article. I have given my views on his newspaper articles.

"And that's why Clarkson is not just a knob but a dangerous knob."

That looks decidedly like a comment on him as a person I'd say.

Furthermore, if you base that entirely on his unashamedly tongue-in-cheek newspaper ramblings when there is so much more in-depth media readily available to judge his environmental credentials, then that's pretty foolish.

 

[egbert]

I didn't say the two issues were inextricably linked. I referenced the environmental/social justice movement to demonstrate that there is a degree of crossover.

To give one example, we import veg from hundreds of food miles away, because it is cheap, and the reason it is cheap is because it is grown with the use of modern day slavery.

https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/horrific-conditions-workers-supplying-fruit-vegetables

You're constantly saying the two in the same sentence, but never seem to be able to articulate what you mean.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

You're constantly saying the two in the same sentence, but never seem to be able to articulate what you mean.

In a way, if we do get climate meltdown, it will be a rather extreme form of social justice as we will all be equally f¥cked.

 

[egbert]

In a way, if we do get climate meltdown, it will be a rather extreme form of social justice as we will all be equally f¥cked.

I dunno.
My rugrats were raised to kill, butcher and cook all manner of things, and to 'keep their eye on the prize'.
Hopefully, destitute refugees would sustain em for a goodly while.
They're already into drying and preserving, so I guess they'll adapt the technique to ensure supply continuity.

I'm optimistic they'll allow the old dog a bone or two.

 

[010101]

I didn't say the two issues were inextricably linked. I referenced the environmental/social justice movement to demonstrate that there is a degree of crossover.

To give one example, we import veg from hundreds of food miles away, because it is cheap, and the reason it is cheap is because it is grown with the use of modern day slavery.

https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/food-drink/horrific-conditions-workers-supplying-fruit-vegetables

The justice in the case of over-control of workers as slaves is not social. It's good aim is the perpetrators who by their deliberate and direct action planned and carried out these acts. They are not society, they are a guilty minority.

 

[Raider112]

The justice in the case of over-control of workers as slaves is not social. It's good aim is the perpetrators who by their deliberate and direct action planned and carried out these acts. They are not society, they are a guilty minority.

Why would anyone want to take property from people who worked damned hard to improve it and give it to people who are only good at being feckless?

 

[010101]

Why would anyone want to take property from people who worked damned hard to improve it and give it to people who are only good at being feckless?

The power is in promising to deliver the benefits. The usefulness of the belief in the future wealth transfer is the magic that it has to give a false comfort, and comfort begets inaction, which in turn is compliance.
Elections do tend to become an auction of future stolen goods.

 

[Punch]

… using x percent less nitrogen, x percent less phosphate and produce 6 percent more milk.

See https://d1hu4133i4rt3z.cloudfront.net/attachments/1159/1159063-5cfb982c57128f6fd455806ce829c455.jpg

That shows 0.6% / yr increase. Compound over 30 years and that’s nearly 20%!
Excellent achievement IF it’s possible on less resources!
I’ll not hold my breath.

 

[delilah]

You're constantly saying the two in the same sentence, but never seem to be able to articulate what you mean.

I have articulated what I mean by way of an example; the use of slave labour to produce our food. You may not agree that that is an example of 'social justice', but you asked me what I mean, and that is what I mean.

Did you click on the link, or would you like me to copy and paste to show where the BFU is standing four square with the lentil knitters ?

 

[010101]

The phrase "social justice" is a divisive use of language.
Society needs tools to heal it's rifts. A vague, non-distinct rallying cry that prosecutes society itself as being unjust is not one of them.

 

[egbert]

I have articulated what I mean by way of an example; the use of slave labour to produce our food. You may not agree that that is an example of 'social justice', but you asked me what I mean, and that is what I mean.

Did you click on the link, or would you like me to copy and paste to show where the BFU is standing four square with the lentil knitters ?

So, to be clear, to promote 'social justice', the Brits should pay extra for their fruit and veg? That's it?
I don't disagree with the above, but equally, couldn't give a flying fig for the 'slaves' you vaguely refer to.

It'd be puerile and wholly unrealistic to expect human society to be 'fair' as you seem to project.
The slaves you refer to -IE within hundreds of miles- I guess are Africans working in Spain.
Or is that Albanians working in Lincolnshire?
Cos both willingly travel to do this work.....or did I miss the Spanish slaving parties dragging Africans back in chains?

Your idealism is superficially noble, but scrape away the paint, and it's just claptrap.

 

[Still Farming]

Clarkson’s Farm announcement made as duo battle failing crops and rising prices

Former Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson and farming contractor Kaleb Cooper will battle failing crops and rising prices in the new episodes

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