Climate Emergency - The Next Decade

[milkloss]

I think everyone is missing the point. It is all a ruse. The whole climate, non-meat, oil running out, restricting fertiliser use things are about MONEY (And possibly control but that pushes it to tin foil hat stuff)

It really is that simple.

 

[Goweresque]

This summer might be just a one in 50 year event ? Just gives the global warming people that weren't around in 1976, something to get upset about !
No one mentioned global warming last summer when he was raining every day.

Quite. I fail to understand why people have the memories of goldfish. Oooh, its very hot and dry at the moment, its going to be like this for ever and we're all going to fry! Completely ignoring the fact that summers have become wetter over the last 15 years, you only have to look at the rainfall data to see that. Both 2020 and 2021 were very wet summers, as was 2017, 2012, 2009,2008,2007 and 2004.

This isn't a one in 50 year event, in 1995 we had a far drier summer, 103mm of rainfall, UK wide, which was in fact less rain than 1976, which came in at 104mm. So far this summer we have already had that much rain, 60mm in June and 45mm in July. We will probably end up with summer 2022 being somewhere around 125-150mm nationally, which would put it on a par with 1913, 1983 and 1984. It'll be top 10 for sure in the last 100 years, maybe top 5. But not the driest evaaahhh! by a long shot.

As for cutting carbon emissions, even if you believe all the data as produced by government, if Europe goes Net Zero by 2050 it would reduce the global temperature in 2100 by a fraction of a tenth of a degree. What Europe does is utterly irrelevant in the global scheme of things - as long as the Chinese and Indians continue to use fossil fuels in the way they do (and they show no signs of stopping) then all we are doing is impoverishing ourselves for no gain whatsoever.

 

[Courier]

Quite. I fail to understand why people have the memories of goldfish. Oooh, its very hot and dry at the moment, its going to be like this for ever and we're all going to fry! Completely ignoring the fact that summers have become wetter over the last 15 years, you only have to look at the rainfall data to see that. Both 2020 and 2021 were very wet summers, as was 2017, 2012, 2009,2008,2007 and 2004.

This isn't a one in 50 year event, in 1995 we had a far drier summer, 103mm of rainfall, UK wide, which was in fact less rain than 1976, which came in at 104mm. So far this summer we have already had that much rain, 60mm in June and 45mm in July. We will probably end up with summer 2022 being somewhere around 125-150mm nationally, which would put it on a par with 1913, 1983 and 1984. It'll be top 10 for sure in the last 100 years, maybe top 5. But not the driest evaaahhh! by a long shot.

As for cutting carbon emissions, even if you believe all the data as produced by government, if Europe goes Net Zero by 2050 it would reduce the global temperature in 2100 by a fraction of a tenth of a degree. What Europe does is utterly irrelevant in the global scheme of things - as long as the Chinese and Indians continue to use fossil fuels in the way they do (and they show no signs of stopping) then all we are doing is impoverishing ourselves for no gain whatsoever.

Yet the lack of water in the Danube is now being described as a 1 in 500 year event .

 

[Cowabunga]

Yet the lack of water in the Danube is now being described as a 1 in 500 year event .

Here’s an article from 2011.
https://voxeurop.eu/en/the-danube-is-running-dry/

This is a river that is constantly silting up with dredgers needed to maintain depth and keep it navigable even during average or wetter than average years. The hydrology and water supply is very complex with supply up to June being dependent on melting ice, so there is far more to this river’s shallow current depth than is immediately obvious.

 

[serf]

Why do humans think that cutting carbon emissions radically is going to make a difference?

There are far bigger factors at play, water vapour levels, deforestation, concreting over vast areas, ocean buffering, sun cycle.

It will be proved that carbon dioxide is more of a tax vehicle for governments!

Because cretins in power around the bloc have turned the crap into a religion and brainwashed a noisy few to wave some banners and get on the box , it's just a money making scam and never how much you tax people you won't change the weather ....

 

[serf]

Talk radio now telling it as it is

 

[Ffermer Bach]

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This is Devon Wildlife Trusts management of Ludwell park

Dead grass is an even greater risk when you cut it.

maybe a silly question, but wouldn't it be better to graze it before it gets like that?

 

[topground]

The current crop of climate ‘experts ‘ appear to have discounted the cyclical activity of the Sun. In the 70’s the decline in the Sun activity led to predictions of a new ice age despite the long hot summer of ‘76.

 

[Courier]

https://voxeurop.eu/en/the-danube-is-running-dry/

This is a river that is constantly silting up with dredgers needed to maintain depth and keep it navigable even during average or wetter than average years. The hydrology and water supply is very complex with supply up to June being dependent on melting ice, so there is far more to this river’s shallow current depth than is immediately obvious.

And apparently the Rhine is no better

Europe drought: Images show extremely low water levels along Rhine River as officials warn transport of goods could be affected

The waterway is a key trade route for several European countries, including Germany. It is used to ship grains, chemicals and coal by Germany.

news.sky.com

 

[Farfrae]

What measures are being put in place to ensure security of water supplies?

The last major public water supply reservoir to be constructed in the UK for water supply purposes was Carsington in 1991, and although a number of water supply reservoirs have been proposed since the 1960's very few have made it to completion.

The population has also increased dramatically in that 30+ years

A 'lefttie' like me would say what exactly did you expect when national infrastructure was sold off and left to the private sector whose only concern is their shareholders.?

 

[C.J]

Talk radio now telling it as it is

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Most of what Brian Catt said was spot on, However I have to disagree that 1850 was the coldest period in the last 10,000 years . 400 years ago would have been more accurate - so half the warming since was pre industrial revolution.

 

[Spencer]

Currently baling Straw at 8% moisture in Cumbria, it’s grand is this new climate

 

[C.J]

maybe a silly question, but wouldn't it be better to graze it before it gets like that?

I guess they've let the grass go to seed before removing it so as to impoverish the soil , in the creation of a "wild flower meadow"

You can't have methane belching ruminants in a public park

 

[Goweresque]

A 'lefttie' like me would say what exactly did you expect when national infrastructure was sold off and left to the private sector whose only concern is their shareholders.?

Those evil capitalists at Thames Water have been trying to build a new reservoir near Abingdon for over 25 years, and have been stymied at every turn by a combination of central and local government, and vociferous local resident opposition.

 

[renewablejohn]

Haven't most fires this year been in standing cereal crops or stubble?

To completely derisk from fire, the best thing would be to grow nothing and keep cultivating just in case. A bit like the middle east and the Sahara is already. Perfectly safe, very hot temperatures and hardly a fire (or human) in sight.

You must be watching different news reports to me as all I see is scrubland and rewilded areas spreading fires to houses. Yes you will always get fires around crops at harvest time but thats the nature of the crops we grow being annual and they probably have a month long window before there harvested when there at risk from fire. Farmers do mitigate this risk when harvesting but more could probably be done. Contrast that with the rewilding nutters who believe all year round areas of brash and grass does wonders for the wildlife but then ignore the fact that the resulting wildfire will eliminate said wildlife.

 

[Lazy Sod]

You can't have methane belching ruminants in a public park

Plenty of wildlife trusts, with probably lots of vegan members, are happy to use ruminants where it suits them. Some hypocrisy there.

 

[renewablejohn]

Those evil capitalists at Thames Water have been trying to build a new reservoir near Abingdon for over 25 years, and have been stymied at every turn by a combination of central and local government, and vociferous local resident opposition.

Plenty of gravel quarries which have come to the end of there lives which would make excellent reservoirs but instead get made into nature reserves and allowed to become unsuitable for drinking water due to algae.

 

[Adeptandy]

Quite. I fail to understand why people have the memories of goldfish. Oooh, its very hot and dry at the moment, its going to be like this for ever and we're all going to fry! Completely ignoring the fact that summers have become wetter over the last 15 years, you only have to look at the rainfall data to see that. Both 2020 and 2021 were very wet summers, as was 2017, 2012, 2009,2008,2007 and 2004.

This isn't a one in 50 year event, in 1995 we had a far drier summer, 103mm of rainfall, UK wide, which was in fact less rain than 1976, which came in at 104mm. So far this summer we have already had that much rain, 60mm in June and 45mm in July. We will probably end up with summer 2022 being somewhere around 125-150mm nationally, which would put it on a par with 1913, 1983 and 1984. It'll be top 10 for sure in the last 100 years, maybe top 5. But not the driest evaaahhh! by a long shot.

As for cutting carbon emissions, even if you believe all the data as produced by government, if Europe goes Net Zero by 2050 it would reduce the global temperature in 2100 by a fraction of a tenth of a degree. What Europe does is utterly irrelevant in the global scheme of things - as long as the Chinese and Indians continue to use fossil fuels in the way they do (and they show no signs of stopping) then all we are doing is impoverishing ourselves for no gain whatsoever.

100mm more than we had in June and July

 

[puppet]

maybe a silly question, but wouldn't it be better to graze it before it gets like that?

The army requisitioned 5000 acres here in WW2 for training with 6 weeks notice for the farmers to get out. By 1947 they had to ask some farmers to restock it because of the number of grass fires.
Why would you cut an area of rewilding in any case. The clue is in the name. We now have 'managed' rewilding which is what farmers have done in the hills for centuries.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Plenty of wildlife trusts, with probably lots of vegan members, are happy to use ruminants where it suits them. Some hypocrisy there.

Every major ecosystem has ruminants at the centre, except Australia where they have marsupial herbivores.