Commons areas for BPS

[joe soapy]

On our local commons the area used for payment calculations changed over the Christmas period.
Those affected who were paid before Christmas appear to have had their area allocation as expected,
Something changed over the holiday period, and large areas were taken out of the calculation, meaning
those paid after recieved much less than expected.
The question is, was it just Dartmoor, or has the whole country been affected by this

 

[joe soapy]

Just want to bump this back to the top

 

[Bury the Trash]

No idea ..... but there must be somebody with a bit of knowledge......

 

[joe soapy]

No idea ..... but there must be somebody with a bit of knowledge......

Going by local experience, very very few farmers actually check the RPA's work. It takes considerable
amount of persistance to get beyond the 2 stock answers
first you get told to send in a RLE1,
If that dont stop you they roll out the Payment Query form. both of which are likely to gather dust
untill the will to live is lost.
Seems very difficult to convince them that you are only trying to be helpfull.
Of course i may be wrong, and 1300 hcts have been wiped off the face of the earth during the holiday

 

[Agrivator]

Are the NFU involved. Or does any of the other applicants use an on-the-ball agent.

And if all else fails, submit a formal 'Freedom of Information' request to ask how the decision to reduce payments etc. was made

 

[Old Tip]

Common up here was reduced to less then a tenth of its original size, they had to get an agent involved to get it sorted. Seemingly the RPA mistook heather for rock and therefore ungrazable.

 

[bankrupt]

payment calculations changed over the Christmas period.

We were paid the 2017 BPS on 23rd December, but the commons payment calculation was 27% short.

Our BPS Payment Query Form for this got to the RPA early in January.

Currently, I'm told, it is being "processed" but no actual timescale can yet be estimated for how long this might take.

 

[joe soapy]

I went down the help line route, kept asking to be escalated, after 3 tiers a nice lady said she was head of department and how did i know how GIS worked.. waiting to hear what she has found out now

 

[bankrupt]

waiting to hear what she has found out now

A hectare of eligible to 10 square metres of rock you'll end up having to 'phone her back again.

 

[joe soapy]

I am getting used to being ignored,, currently waiting on solicitors re an injunction,
the post office on why the postman continues to trespass, the IPCC on a complaint
and an insurance co on wether they will fund an appeal.
Everything is a steep learning curve

 

[bankrupt]

We're also waiting upon resolution of a BPS Payment Query for non SDA, where we're only 5.75% short.

At least it's quite easy to see exactly what's gone wrong with that one and to steer the discussion with the RPA in an appropriate direction.

The commons problem's very much more tricky because of the shortage of published data.

 

[bankrupt]

Here's the latest wot's been published on the commons area recalculations, dated 15th January.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/commons-eligibility-checks-updated-areas

CL0129, for example, has been cut back by 99.8%, and others eliminated entirely.

This exercise looks certain to recover all the Minchinhampton refund, and its costs, hopefully with a bit to spare

 

[joe soapy]

I is confused,, our two commons are CL 194, CL 164
the ones listed in previous post dont correspond
CL0164 HARDHEAD DOWNS AND CARBURROW TOR 127.74 127.46 127.74 117.09 0 -10.38
CL0194 HIGH MOOR 592.13 591.35 592.13 555.58 0 -35.77
unless the 0 is a part of the number?
I would urge anybody with common rights to get the signatory , usually the ch or sec to check the current maps on RPA..
looking further, it seems that many commons use the same CL numbers

 

[bankrupt]

Each county has its own list.

For example, the Devon list runs from CL1 to CL280 :-

www.devon.gov.uk/cl_list_in_cl_order_09.pdf

The revisions published so far by the RPA seem to refer mainly, if not entirely, to Cornwall.