Confessions of the Sheep/Beef Cattle/Pig Addicts

[Anymulewilldo]

Just on sheep buying trips in the Highlands the the expensive hotels are used

£50/night inc breakfast always stop at the same place. As soon as the sale dates come out I ring up and book in for the sales I know I’ll be there for

 

[livestock 1]

Tested positive first time then clear second time but appeared on the map

I would class inconclusive reactors and false positives almost as one. The sensitivity interpretation alters the likelihood of more false positives and more reactors at 25% rate higher than the interpretation for normal surveillance testing
In other words once you get some reactors then it’s harder to get clear

 

[Anymulewilldo]

The host is a bit eccentric. Ex bomb bunny for the RAF so he’s got some good tales too tell. But the rooms are clean and the breakfast is good. When I’m there to buy sheep, what more do I want?

 

[andyt87]

I would class inconclusive reactors and false positives almost as one. The sensitivity interpretation alters the likelihood of more false positives and more reactors at 25% rate higher than the interpretation for normal surveillance testing
In other words once you get some reactors then it’s harder to get clear

Yeh I understand that- as soon as you get a reactor in the test, all previous cattle that had been clear on the day get reassessed under Severe Interpretation.

Last time we went down was first time in 15+ years so no animals remained from last restrictions plus changed from dairy to suckler. 2 animals on a pre movement test, then 3 on the herd check test. One IR on 1st 60 day, who then went clear on 2nd 60 day. 2 of the second 3 had calved and calves had sucked, tested clear multiple times since.

None of the 5 slaughtered showed lesions and all negative on cultures. Whether any were false positives is difficult to say though as it's down to time since exposure.

Just surprised a non restricted herd that had an IR which then tested clear was put on the map

 

[andyt87]

I think the test is 99.4% accurate or something the vet was telling me. Basically means if you have 1000 cows you will never come off restrictions due to false positives

In theory maybe. Local 1500+ milking herd and replacements is clear though in a TB1 area. They were down 2010-2013 and 2019-2020 but are obviously clear now.

 

[livestock 1]

Yeh I understand that- as soon as you get a reactor in the test, all previous cattle that had been clear on the day get reassessed under Severe Interpretation.

Last time we went down was first time in 15+ years so no animals remained from last restrictions plus changed from dairy to suckler. 2 animals on a pre movement test, then 3 on the herd check test. One IR on 1st 60 day, who then went clear on 2nd 60 day. 2 of the second 3 had calved and calves had sucked, tested clear multiple times since.

None of the 5 slaughtered showed lesions and all negative on cultures. Whether any were false positives is difficult to say though as it's down to time since exposure.

Just surprised a non restricted herd that had an IR which then tested clear was put on the map

They usually put us straight into tb1 3km 6 months radial testing if they are genuine positives
That’s if they have even been genuine positives
Some have appeared on the maps but not set that ball away in the past
Must have passed second test
Not sure who’s discretion that’s under
Some I know the people so have the info

 

[organic]

Anyone in Wales any idea of how many cattle slaughtered for TB actually have TB?

 

[livestock 1]

In theory maybe. Local 1500+ milking herd and replacements is clear though in a TB1 area. They were down 2010-2013 and 2019-2020 but are obviously clear now.

There’s a big herd of dairy cattle spends more time on 1 than anything else

 

[AftonShepherd]

Watching Vicar of Dibley earlier and Owen reminded me of you

Feck me, that's harsh!

 

[AftonShepherd]

I'd need to go watch it to figure out who that is, haven't watched it since it was on TV the first time

Roger Lloyd Pack who was also Trigger in Only Fools and Horses

 

[Nithsdale]

Roger Lloyd Pack who was also Trigger in Only Fools and Horses

I've still no idea what he's getting at (I know Trigger and the actor )... and I'd rather sh!te in my hands and clap than put up with watching Dawn French to try and find out

 

[Chicken richard]

anyone been out to see the tractor light shows?? Tonight

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Feck me, that's harsh!

But true

 

[Al R]

In theory maybe. Local 1500+ milking herd and replacements is clear though in a TB1 area. They were down 2010-2013 and 2019-2020 but are obviously clear now.

Friends of mine who are testing 4000+ all the time went clear after years of being down and then accidentally sent a calf at 43 days with no test whole herd retest

 

[andyt87]

Friends of mine who are testing 4000+ all the time went clear after years of being down and then accidentally sent a calf at 43 days with no test whole herd retest

FFS, they must have been raging! Stayed clear I hope

 

[johnspeehs]

I've had 3 cows to abort for schmallenburg and 1 positive for it still in calve as I have had blood test gor it and vet said it could be a big thing in sheep this year last bad year for it was 2013

I was watching a you tube video from Baldys farm and he was very disappointed with his cow scanning, he reckoned nearly 25% empty, wonder could smb be a possibility there, not sure what area he is in though, would it cause barren cows?. seems pretty good operator.

 

[adda]

I was watching a you tube video from Baldys farm and he was very disappointed with his cow scanning, he reckoned nearly 25% empty, wonder could smb be a possibility there, not sure what area he is in though, would it cause barren cows?. seems pretty good operator.

My vet said there is a herd down Devon or Cornwall way got 70% aborted to it

 

[adda]

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anyone been out to see the tractor light shows?? Tonight

My son was out but in mid Wales

 

[thorpe]

To me the whole country should be 12 month testing. With a better bloody test than the skin one. No post or pre movement testing, just every herd every year. Would make it a more level playing field all around

weve got post movment testing tomorrow, what's that sh1t all about? going to have it every couple of month's, just what we want when we get busy on field work!

 

[thorpe]

Oh they are changing the post movement testing rules I think, something like if you are annual testing and you buy in from 6 month testing areas then you need to post movement test as well. Can't see much sense in it as they will have been pre movement tested anyway.

it's a crock of sh1t!