Confessions of the Sheep/Beef Cattle/Pig Addicts

[unlacedgecko]

You’ll lose milk and milk makes meat

I disagree.

 

[neilo]

Bit of a joke this is.

It’s as ridiculous as Welsh Govt are trying to do. You can’t impose one set of scheme rules across all farms in the country as the farms and systems are so diverse.
The drafts buggers can’t seem to see that sat behind their desks in Cardiff/London/Edinburgh.

 

[Top Tip.]

Been and seen , good yes . Getting them incalf is what we talking about not quality of the ones that have . Not so good if they not in calf in the first place tho . My cousin manages a 10k acre place on sky .

Quite agree but I still think you have to give them a chance to mature before you bull them in these conditions. Is your cousin up the north west corner?

 

[Hilly]

Quite agree but I still think you have to give them a chance to mature before you bull them in these conditions. Is your cousin up the north west corner?

He is yea. .

 

[unlacedgecko]

Quite agree but I still think you have to give them a chance to mature before you bull them in these conditions. Is your cousin up the north west corner?

There's people in the harshest Australian/African/American environments who have adapted their cattle genetics to calve at 2. Surely it would be possible for UK breeders to do the same?

 

[AftonShepherd]

I disagree.

With all respect, you're not grazing hard hill ground where you are.

 

[unlacedgecko]

With all respect, you're not grazing hard hill ground where you are.

Nope. I'm grazing veg land.

But the comment you quote was me disagreeing with @Aspiring Peasants saying a reduction in cow size will lead to a reduction in calf weaning weight.

 

[Hilly]

Maybe some land is just not suitable for cattle at all ? Better with just sheep ..

 

[ritchiekirkland]

They haven’t said but they have said that it’s a fixed pot of money so the money for those cows calving outside the calving interval goes back into the pot and will be added to the amount the qualifying cows get.

Is that like the ring fenced 600 million pot??

 

[livestock 1]

 

[livestock 1]

Shyt ground shyt cow to most folks but does turn out the goods.

 

[livestock 1]

I have some £2500 cows that end up with calves half the size
That theme isn’t always true though

 

[Optimus]

It’s as ridiculous as Welsh Govt are trying to do. You can’t impose one set of scheme rules across all farms in the country as the farms and systems are so diverse.
The drafts buggers can’t seem to see that sat behind their desks in Cardiff/London/Edinburgh.

Looks like I won't be able to claim on all my calves but I'm not going to change what I do.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

There's people in the harshest Australian/African/American environments who have adapted their cattle genetics to calve at 2. Surely it would be possible for UK breeders to do the same?

I have calved plenty at 2 but I don't believe in stunting them

 

[Hilly]

I have calved plenty at 2 but I don't believe in stunting them

I dont think it dose , some first calvers at 2 are like big sheep yet by 12 year old can be 800kgs plus …..

 

[hendrebc]

Every cow should be able to calve every 12 months or so though shouldn't they? I mean slipping a month or so isn't too bad as long as they all don't do it. Some would calve every 10 months if you let them.

 

[livestock 1]

I have calved plenty at 2 but I don't believe in stunting them

I haven’t stunted these intentionally I didn’t realise i was doing something right

 

[JSmith]

I haven’t stunted these intentionally I didn’t realise i was doing something right

I wouldn’t worry about it, it probably won’t become a habit

 

[livestock 1]

I wouldn’t worry about it, it probably won’t become a habit

Pioneering

 

[Hilly]

Every cow should be able to calve every 12 months or so though shouldn't they? I mean slipping a month or so isn't too bad as long as they all don't do it. Some would calve every 10 months if you let them.

If they dont they need fre bentos , i scan mine and if not in calf off they go …