Rich_ard
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Do you walk out the door with a loaf in your pocket for dinnerWe use two loaves a day,it never gets time to mold.
Do you walk out the door with a loaf in your pocket for dinnerWe use two loaves a day,it never gets time to mold.
Have calved at 24 months up until now but the owners want to head towards outwintering and massively reducing hard feeding so they'll struggle to grow big enough. We don't have the acreage of good ground to grow decent forage crops so they're only on deferred hill grazing and bales to supplement where required.Calve at 36 months
Bull them to calve at 24 months still and see what happens. You can always retain empties to calve at 36 months.Have calved at 24 months up until now but the owners want to head towards outwintering and massively reducing hard feeding so they'll struggle to grow big enough. We don't have the acreage of good ground to grow decent forage crops so they're only on deferred hill grazing and bales to supplement where required.
As don't want to calve twice a year, 36 months is the next option and they're not costing much other than lost opportunity to get there.
Or fatten the emptys and pick a few more out for next yearBull them to calve at 24 months still and see what happens. You can always retain empties to calve at 36 months.
Tried that last year with a handful and disappointed with them, their calves and their getting back in calf compared to previously so consciously holding this batch back. Never say never about going back to 24 months if it doesn't work any better.Bull them to calve at 24 months still and see what happens. You can always retain empties to calve at 36 months.
I never have much feed either. Make them work for you. Unless you have a few thin ones you aren't pushing them!!Have calved at 24 months up until now but the owners want to head towards outwintering and massively reducing hard feeding so they'll struggle to grow big enough. We don't have the acreage of good ground to grow decent forage crops so they're only on deferred hill grazing and bales to supplement where required.
As don't want to calve twice a year, 36 months is the next option and they're not costing much other than lost opportunity to get there.
All 12 are averaging between 0.64 and 0.67kg since start of July and have neither been anywhere fancy nor had anything other than a handful of mineral tubs.Wouldn’t be too concerned about actual weight as long as they are well grown .
.7-0.8 kg/day might be as much as you would get if rough grazing
If you're reducing nutrition then the fall out rate will increase. It's more stress on the animals.Tried that last year with a handful and disappointed with them, their calves and their getting back in calf compared to previously so consciously holding this batch back. Never say never about going back to 24 months if it doesn't work any better.
Might well be the most efficient way forward but I won't be breeding my own bulls anytime soon.If you're reducing nutrition then the fall out rate will increase. It's more stress on the animals.
But there will still be individuals within the cohort that succeed. Start keeping bulls out of 3rd calvers that calved at 24 months and again at 36 months (2+3 cows). Use them across the rest of the herd and, relatively speaking, you'll have an adapted herd that calves at 24 months on the new routine.
Everything else is insignificant in comparisonMight well be the most efficient way forward but I won't be breeding my own bulls anytime soon.
Got a decent flock of these
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at the top of the hill to take the commercial pressure off!
is that all?Typical Monday here mule ewes in amongst neighbours swale tup, 3 tups gone wrong with various problems, daughter been ratching on with someone ran into a metal bollard and mashed her nose (school photos Wednesday) the mrs jammed my finger in the trailer door
Oh the day is still going we are off to collect some electric chairs for the oldies next jobis that all?
Hope the little un is alright
Get them bulled now before they get too big. Let them go round to spring calving for their second calf. Will keep your cow size down and heifers will get back in calf easily at start of spring cycle.For bulling next summer to calve at three.
22.5 hrs WTF!
£30 odd per hour just to talk shyte22.5 hrs WTF!
Not really set up for late summer/autumn calving but definitely something to consider if they end up too big as cows.Get them bulled now before they get too big. Let them go round to spring calving for their second calf. Will keep your cow size down and heifers will get back in calf easily at start of spring cycle.