Countryfile - Dutch slurry problems

[Pasty]

Savory once made a comment which intrigued me. He said most farm land was under stocked and over grazed. Sounds like a contradiction until you think about it. I think it was Savory anyway.

 

[faircomment]

What relevance does the altitude have? Only if you are thinking of less rainfall and slower fresh water movement into the Channel not diluting the P release enough.

As Princess Pooper said, Holland is a net importer of phosphate onto farmland thanks to the intensive nature of its livestock industry. Perhaps any stockmen from Northern Ireland would care to tell us about phosphate balancing equations forced upon them by DARDNI due to excessive phosphate pollution?

I feel some sympathy for the Dutch farmers who expanded their herds when quotas were abolished but I'm surprised that Tom Heap didn't mention the collapse in milk prices from every dairy farmer in Europe increasing production. The compulsory cull of dairy cows is government driven. Why not look at phosphate exporting? Bigger units could deliver slurry to separators or AD plants where the solids could be concentrated and hauled away to P deficient areas. Exporting isn't so daft though haulage kills it.

Surely there is a far greater risk of p leaching in the water course when it is only applied in large amounts less that 1m above the water table ?

 

[thesilentone]

Some great comments to a serious long-term problem.
Phosphate pollution is already a serious problem for the likes of Northern Ireland where Loch Neagh is seriously polluted leading to fines for the NI Government if not cleaned up.
Technology does exist to remove the P bound into the Dry Matter, then evaporate (or spread) the liquid.
The P is then fit for shipping to the Countries where there is a shortage of P -but I suppose that is to simple..

 

[Campani]

The P is then fit for shipping to the Countries where there is a shortage of P -but I suppose that is to simple..

Or to expensive.

 

[thesilentone]

Or to expensive.

I'm sure a ship load at a time won't be too much/tonne.

However, the fines NI are facing would pay for many many ship loads....

 

[Brisel]

Or to expensive.

This.

Buying DAP, TSP etc is cheaper than recycling bulky manures, unless the law makes it compulsory. Look at how the water boards have had to clean their act up. At least that is being returned to the land where it is needed, though the rate payer is picking up the tab for it.

 

[thesilentone]

This.

Buying DAP, TSP etc is cheaper than recycling bulky manures, unless the law makes it compulsory. Look at how the water boards have had to clean their act up. At least that is being returned to the land where it is needed, though the rate payer is picking up the tab for it.

This process does not appear to be the solution. The only way appears to be to remove the P from the Country all together.

 

[Brisel]

Or at least reduce the P coming in. I'll bet there are net P deificit areas in Holland who would benefit from the reallocation of fertiliser.

 

[Brisel]

Surely there is a far greater risk of p leaching in the water course when it is only applied in large amounts less that 1m above the water table ?

P doesn't leach much at all, but yes, the risk is there where high soil P indices occur and water is nearby.

Playing devil's advocate, P loss from soil is far greater on steeper land where erosion is more likely to happen. Most of the P flows under the gate attached to the soil particles washing away down the road.

 

[BBC]

Why don't they put a big pipline in across the North Sea and pump the cow slurry over to eastern counties of England, where the soils need it to help improve soil OM ?

Came across someone years ago who made a fortune being paid by the Dutch government to remove livestock manure, which he then dried down, containerised and sold to the Saudi's who used it to increase organic matter on the big irrigated crop 'circles' in the desert.

Why didn't I think of that ........?

 

[thesilentone]

Or at least reduce the P coming in. I'll bet there are net P deificit areas in Holland who would benefit from the reallocation of fertiliser.

You make a good point, however, I think the main source is generations of spreading Poultry Manure along with a rather antiquated sewage system.
Given one of the Worlds largest Chicken meat producer is/was based in Northern Ireland, and after investing a pile of money had a Biomass Plant burning poultry manure turned down at planning. I think it is also a political problem.

 

[Grant @ SEM]

Hi All

Apologies I am new to this forum, however, I believe that my company may have a system to treat the slurry, produce fertiliser and provide clean water back.

Is there a platform to enable our company to pitch the technology?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Bald Rick]

Hi All

Apologies I am new to this forum, however, I believe that my company may have a system to treat the slurry, produce fertiliser and provide clean water back.

Is there a platform to enable our company to pitch the technology?

Thanks in advance.

No Idea as I am not a MOD or the owner of the site ... perhaps ask them nicely?
BUT I am always looking at ways to improve my slurry of which I have much. Can you PM me some details?

 

[Bob c]

you can sponsor the forum for 12 months and you will get pop up advert like on right
think you also get a listing in the directory https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?directory/new
think @Chris F can help on this

 

[thesilentone]

Hi All

Apologies I am new to this forum, however, I believe that my company may have a system to treat the slurry, produce fertiliser and provide clean water back.

Is there a platform to enable our company to pitch the technology?

Thanks in advance.

Post a link to your website.

 

[Grant @ SEM]

No Idea as I am not a MOD or the owner of the site ... perhaps ask them nicely?
BUT I am always looking at ways to improve my slurry of which I have much. Can you PM me some details?

Hi, that wouldn't be a problem. Would you prefer through or ny email?

 

[Grant @ SEM]

Hi, that wouldn't be a problem. Would you prefer through or ny email?

*my email

 

[Grant @ SEM]

Post a link to your website.

Hi.

No problem, the link is www.semenergygroup.com - our technology for this issue is from our Environmental arm that we are treating a variety of wastes but are now keen to focus on key world issues and cattle slurry amongst other animal wastes are high on our agenda.

 

[Grant @ SEM]

you can sponsor the forum for 12 months and you will get pop up advert like on right
think you also get a listing in the directory https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?directory/new
think @Chris F can help on this

Thanks for this Bob.

 

[pappuller]

No Idea as I am not a MOD or the owner of the site ... perhaps ask them nicely?
BUT I am always looking at ways to improve my slurry of which I have much. Can you PM me some details?

Me too please