Think you may find these figures are slightly misleading as the older the person the more chance 90% plus have been vaccinated so a much smaller sample of unvaccinated, I would have thought the more telling figure are in the under 18s & possibly under 29s where there is more likelihood of an accurate representation.
Covid Vaccine Roll out.
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How do the hospitalisation rates compare for vax/ no vax? We all know that the vaccine doesn’t stop you catching it, but it does supposedly reduce the severity.
essex man
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They are a rate!...so not relevant
As we are all too aware figures can be made to show whatever suits your cause!
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That's why Joey doesn't put up links to his sources, and ignores the difficult questions he doesn't want to answer. Just like he spent all of 2020 claiming there were no excess Covid deaths, and now claims that there are - but implies they're being caused by the vaccine.
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Last month unvaxed 3 times more likely to be hospitalized in 30-50 age group. Not insignificant by any means but a far cry from the 90% reduction in severe disease that many claim.
How can people justify vaccine mandates and judging fellow citizens choices based on these case rates is beyond me!
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Can you share where that data came from? There's roughly twice the rate of cases amongst the vaccinated according to what Joey shared above, so if there's a third the other way being hospitalised then that suggests the vaccine is ~66% effective v/v not, on keeping someone out of hospital if they catch it, which isn't a far cry from the early published data (I don't recall any vaccine claiming 90%, but perhaps some were).
Mouser
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Essex man told you above it. I simply googled 'vaccine surveillance report' and ping took me right to it. About 4 times more likely to have an overnight stay this month btw.
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4:1 one way and 1:2 the other is getting a bit closer to 90% then, within rounding errors. Is that not enough to convince you of the merits?
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Sorry not following?
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That's okay, I'll try and explain. If the vaccinated are twice as likely to catch Covid, but only a quarter as likely to end up in hospital, then that suggests the vaccine has reduced the chance of hospitalisation to an eighth, for someone who is unlucky to catch Covid. That's a factor of 1/8 = 0.125, or 87.5% reduction.
Back of fag packet maths, but hopefully you get my drift.
& yet it is so strange that the rest of the world are rushing to vaccinate to reduce deaths!
All I would say is take really good notice of the Chinese who know far more about this than they perhaps should, they are terrified of cases popping up & vaccinating as fast as they possibly can, (2.2 billion doses & rising fast) they are (contrary to what you may think) not stupid & would not act like this for no reason unless they think it's essential !!!
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When you say "we all" you speaking for who exactly?
Also you mean "we all" know that now but didn't when we had the jab?
As far as I know the greatest determinants of severity of illness are still age and previously diagnosed serious conditions as has always been the case.
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It's a self evident truth.
No, I don't, so again I'll ask that you stop extrapolating my comments or trying to miss-attribute things to me. I don't recall it ever being claimed that the vaccine stopped someone catching it - do you?
essex man
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Nope haven't said that
essex man
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They come by figures like that by saying things like 150k unvaccinated people have died "of" covid and 14k vaccinated have died....
Ignoring the fact that 140k of the 150k died before vaccination took place.
Mouser
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I would have thought if it makes you twice as likely to catch it that would reduce the benefit of having the vaccine by a factor of 2 making it 0.5 or 50% better.
This still doesn't answer the question of how vaccine mandates are in any way useful now that you have u turned on the reduced transmission arguement?
